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30-Aug-2011, 4:10 PM
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Newbe need an antenna
Hi Folks, I just got rid of the cable.
Now, I need an antenna but I do not know what I should get. UHF only or with VHF? What kind of antenna is better? (multidirectionnal? with a rotor? Size?) Do I need a booster (does it boost the range of reception?), a converter (I got a rear projection TV 6 Years Old)? I know I need a long range antenna as I live in Russell, Canada (about 150 Miles north east of Watertown and wondering if I could get Fox?) What are the Extremes measures that can be taken in order to get the weakest channels indicated in the report.
I have access to a 50' tower if needed.
Anyone out there has suggestion and advises for me?
Thank you
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30-Aug-2011, 5:29 PM
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Newbe needs an Antenna!
Sorry for the double post.
Last edited by leblanc7; 31-Aug-2011 at 11:44 AM.
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30-Aug-2011, 8:12 PM
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The default height of your radar height is 10 feet. Please post 2 more radar reports , one at 30 feet and one at 50 feet. Yes you will receive some American stations. We will see how many with the antenna at 30 feet and 50 feet.
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30-Aug-2011, 8:18 PM
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How many Tv's are and will be connected?? The 6 year old rear projection Tv most likely Does Not have a digital tuner and even if it does the tuner will be a early generation tuner that will not do well at receiving the digital channels. If you will be buying a new Tv I strongly recommend a Sony or Samsung Tv's , they have newest chip sets in the digital tuners that will get the best reception. Also , How many Tv's are/will be connected??
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31-Aug-2011, 3:06 PM
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Your odds of getting Fox with an antenna are nil.
Sorry.
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31-Aug-2011, 6:14 PM
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I am selecting the antennas and amplifier to receive 4 American stations , the Canada stations are easy to receive. I'll be back
Last edited by John Candle; 31-Aug-2011 at 6:24 PM.
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31-Aug-2011, 6:37 PM
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Actually I believe WNYF TV 18 carries Fox and CBS programming. WWNY TV 7 carries Fox on its sub channel.
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31-Aug-2011, 6:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Actually I believe WNYF TV 18 carries Fox and CBS programming. WWNY TV 7 carries Fox on its sub channel.
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Good catch on WNYF. The odds aren't great, but it *might* be possible with a highly directional UHF antenna and the proper preamp. I had looked only at the listing of networks affiliates as given on the chart.
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31-Aug-2011, 7:01 PM
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WWNY has CBS and FOX , the other receivable American stations are , WNPI PBS , WCFE PBS , WNYF variable programing. For reception of the American stations I recommend 2 antennas on top of the 50 foot tower. Antenna # 1 is a Winegard YA-1713 aimed at WWNY CBS, FOX at 205 degree magnetic compass. Antenna # 2 is Antennas Direct 91-XG aimed at 148 degree magnetic compass here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html . The 2 antennas are connected to gether with a Channel Master CM7777 preamp. The set up goes like this , Antennas connected to preamp , from the preamp a coax goes to the preamp power supply in the house , then a 2 way splitter is connected and the outputs of 2 way splitter go to the 2 Tv's.
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31-Aug-2011, 7:16 PM
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The Canada stations are easy. I recommend a Channel Master CM2016 antenna with No amplifier aimed at about 308 degree magnetic compass. The coax from the antenna will go to the house and 2 way splitter will be connected and the outputs of the 2 way splitter will have coax that go to both Tv's. At the Tv locations will be Remote control A/B antenna switches that coaxes are connected to. And the outputs of the A/B switches are connected to the Tv's. The Canada stations are easy to receive so the CM2016 need not be mounted up high , if the CM2016 has a fairly clear view to the west at about 15 or 20 feet high or so then thats fine. Here is a place to buy all this in Canada , http://www,saveandreplay.com
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31-Aug-2011, 7:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ADTech
Good catch on WNYF. The odds aren't great, but it *might* be possible with a highly directional UHF antenna and the proper preamp. I had looked only at the listing of networks affiliates as given on the chart.
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With CITY-DT, real CH-17, on the adjacent channel, reception of WNYF-LD, real CH-18 will be extremely challenging. A predicted adjacent channel power delta of 40 dB can't be ignored. The XG-91 may work but I doubt it will have the needed front to back ratio.
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31-Aug-2011, 8:27 PM
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The main part of the digital change over is happening to day , Aug 31 , 2011 in Canada. The CITY TV report is a older speculative repot and CITY Tv may not be on CH 17 after Aug. 31 2011.
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31-Aug-2011, 8:42 PM
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For the reception of the American and Canada Tv stations , The coax systems are separate. So thats one complete system for the Canada stations , Antenna , coax , 2 way splitter and then coaxes going out to the 2 Tv's. And for the American stations , antennas , preamp , preamp power supply , 2 way splitter and then coaxes going out to the 2 Tv's.
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31-Aug-2011, 8:50 PM
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1-Sep-2011, 1:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GroundUrMast
With CITY-DT, real CH-17, on the adjacent channel, reception of WNYF-LD, real CH-18 will be extremely challenging. A predicted adjacent channel power delta of 40 dB can't be ignored. The XG-91 may work but I doubt it will have the needed front to back ratio.
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He should be able to get it. I have the same situation here with a Ch. 17 and Ch. 18. Ch. 18 is a green signal out of KC at 35 miles while Ch. 17 is a very weak red with a NM of minus 8 or so of Columbia. I get Ch. 17 from Columbia frequently at night and in the morning.
The best antenna for this channel would be the CM 3023. Having compared that one with the 91xg and also a MXU 59 from Antennacraft, I found the CM 3023 from Channel Master has the best gain on the lower channels (yes, better than the Winegard 8800) with decent adjacent channel rejection.
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1-Sep-2011, 2:35 AM
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Thank you very much everyone! Obviously, I have a lot to learn 
I am glad to have connected to this site. I will start by getting all that stuff and get it all together! I guess it will take me some time to get it all up and running! I will definitively keep you gents posted of the outcome...
So John suggested the XG-91 and Billiam suggested the CM 3023. Gentlemen, what should it be and why?
Would any of those antennas also be good for Radio?
You guys are awesome to take some of your time and help a rooky...
Whish me luck!
Last edited by leblanc7; 1-Sep-2011 at 2:58 AM.
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1-Sep-2011, 2:47 AM
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You indicate that you would really like to watch Fox. The Fox affiliate is carried on Ch. 18's subchannel. That being the case, the Channel Master 3023 has superior reception on UHF low channels while the 91XG has better gain on the higher UHF channels. If that indeed is your most important catch and you are willing to sacrifice a bit of gain on the higher Channels over 30 or so, then that is the best antenna for this situation that is presently still available unless you have the big bucks to go and get a commercial antenna. :-)
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1-Sep-2011, 3:54 AM
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Another question... I have a 6 years old 56inch TV 780p Epson rear projection TV model LS57P2C Yep not many of those out there...but it has a printer in it....ok do I need a converter for the OTA signal? I dont seem to get this answer on the net. If I do need one, any particular one you would recommand?
Thank you again
Billiam.. I did not know about commercial antenna!!!! but it would defeat the purpose of saving money from the cable, I guess...
Cheers
Last edited by leblanc7; 1-Sep-2011 at 4:00 AM.
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