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Old 13-Jul-2012, 2:37 AM   #1
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Question antenna pointing questions

Hello all! I'm new here. I'm in the process of installing some OTA antennas, and would like some advise. Thanks in advance for your help! First, my report: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...9900d112d6d96e
Next the antennas that I purchased. I got two, the clearstream 5 and the DB4e. I plan to use my existing DirectV mount and put a 10' pipe in so it sits up probably around 20-25' in the air to the top of the pipe. I contacted antennas direct, and all they said was to point the C5 East, and the DB4e West. In looking over this site and others, it appears that there is more to it than that. Can someone help me figure out at what exact angle, or direction to point for maximum reception? The guys at Ant. Dir. also said that the two had to be 2-3 feet apart from each other. Any recomendations on which antenna to put on top? Also, where I want to mount it, to the East, there is a tall tree, maybe 40 feet away. There is also powerlines that run down the alley......no where near the pole, but will the noise on the lines interfear?
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:08 AM   #2
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Aim the C5 VHF antenna at about 245 degree magnetic compass.

For reception of.

KHAS-DT VHF channel 5 NBC and This Nebraska/This Tv.

KLKN-DT VHF channel 8 ABC and Live Well Network.

KOLN-DT VHF channel 10 CBS and MyNetwork.

KGIN-DT VHF channel 11 CBS and MyNetwork.

KHGI-TV VHF channel 13 ABC and FOX.


Aim the DB4e UHF antenna at about 250 degree magnetic compass for the reception of.

KHNE-DT UHF channel 28 PBS.

K56FC UHF channel 50 construction permit , not on the air yet.

KYVG-TV UHF channel 19 FOX.


Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Mount the antennas above the roof.

Here are some STRONG and STURDY above the roof antenna mounts , http://www.ronard.com/909911.html , http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html , http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html , http://www.ronard.com.

Buy the ronard antenna mounts at solidsignal by typing the word ronard in the solidsignal search box.

Here are some places to buy antenna mounts and etc. , http://www.solidsignal.com , http://www.antennasdirect.com , http://www.amazon.com.

Put the C5 on the bottom and DB4e on top. Separate by a about 2 or 3 feet.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:14 AM   #3
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Thanks for the great info.......One question for you, in all my hunting, I'm being told in another forum that I can't combine these two antennas without an A-B switch because they will cancel eachother out in one direction or the other since they are both uhf/vhf. I planned on using a diplexer that comes with the C5 to combine the signals and use one cable to bring it in the house. Will this not work like that? Would I be better off with one antenna or the other?
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:17 AM   #4
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If you mount two antennas on the same mast, put the UHF antenna on top.

Aim point suggestions are starting points. You'll want to fine tune the aim after first installing the antenna. If you have a signal meter built into a TV, use it. Aiming is usually an exercise in compromise, the goal is to get reliable reception of the most signals. After all, you'll probably spend more time watching a TV program, not the signal meter.

You'll get more reliable reception if you can mount the antenna(s) so they aren't aimed at trees or buildings.

If you use the satellite mount to support a 10' mast, consider wind loading. I'm sure you don't want the roof damaged. Some sort of guy wire or other support will be needed.

The UVSJ diplexer will combine the two antennas properly. You don't need an A/B switching arrangement.
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:23 AM   #5
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It is always a good to not receive Tv transmissions through trees and tree leaves , trees absorb and reflect Tv transmissions.

If the C5 can be located at a place that avoids the trees to the east that will be better.

The C5 comes with a combiner that combines the C5 and DB4e on to one coax down lead , that is good it simplifies the installation and connections to the Tv/s.

And speaking of Tv/s.

How many Tv/s are/will be connected??

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:25 AM   #6
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It is always a good to not receive Tv transmissions through trees and tree leaves , trees absorb and reflect Tv transmissions.

If the C5 can be located at a place that avoids the trees to the east that will be better.

THe C5 comes with a combiner that combines the C5 and DB4e on to one coax down lead , that is good it simplifies the installation and connections to the Tv/s.

And speaking of Tv/s.

How many Tv/s are/will be connected??
I'm only hooking up 1 TV
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:31 AM   #7
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I find watching the signal strength meter to be more interesting then many Tv programs.

But then I am more interested receiving Tv stations , then being (entertained???) by the programing.

The Tv/s Must scan for the Digital Broadcast Tv Channels sometimes named the 'Air Channels' or 'Antenna Channels' in the Tv setup menu because the Tv transmissions travcel through the air from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna.

Do Not scan for cable tv channels.

A antenna amplifier will most likely not be required for one Tv connection.

For one Tv connection use No splitters. Every time a splitter split takes place the signal strength is reduced.

No sense to reduce signal strength needlessly.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:34 AM   #8
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Would one or the other antenna work to pull in the stations in my area? If I used just the DB4e, could I get most everything with it?
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 4:51 AM   #9
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------->As I under stood it you already have the C5 and DB4e antennas.<--------

I am evaluating the use of one antenna , will return shortly.

Well Ok , further evaluation shows that currently all the programing can be Received with the C5 antenna.

The C5 is really a VHF high band antenna channels 7 thru 13 antenna.

The C5 will receive the VHF low band channels 2 thru 6 if the signals are strong.

The C5 will receive the UHF band channels 14 thru 51 if the signals are strong.

A Much Better Solution for reception with one antenna is a Winegard HD7082P antenna aimed at 245 degree magnetic compass.

The HD7082P antenna is -->designed<-- to be a All Band Antenna. VHF Channel 2 thru 6 , VHF channels 7 thru 13 and UHF channels 14 thru 51.

A Much Better Solution is the HD7082P All Band Antenna.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 5:29 AM   #10
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I am evaluating the use of one antenna , will return shortly.
Sounds great, thanks
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 5:50 AM   #11
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Buy the Winegard HD7082P antenna at , http://www.winegarddirect.com , http://www.solidsignal.com , http://www.amazon.com.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 5:55 AM   #12
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No do not use the DB4e by it's self.

The DB4e is a UHF antenna that will receive VHF channels 7 thru 13 to a very limited degree and is VERY BAD at receiving channels 2 thru 6.

KHAS-DT channel 5 is transmitting on channel 5.

-------------->So what antennas IF ANY do you have now??<--------------

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 2:07 PM   #13
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No do not use the DB4e by it's self.

The DB4e is a UHF antenna that will receive VHF channels 7 thru 13 to a very limited degree and is VERY BAD at receiving channels 2 thru 6.

KHAS-DT channel 5 is transmitting on channel 5.

-------------->So what antennas IF ANY do you have now??<--------------
I ordered the C5 and the DB4e. They are being delivered today and Monday.
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 2:56 PM   #14
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If need be, I guess I could send them both back and get something different, if you think there is a better solution.
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 3:22 PM   #15
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It is all your choice , You do what ever You think is the best.

To reduce confusion to a minimum. Here is the information.

Your location has receivable Tv stations/channels in ALL 3 Tv bands.

VHF low band channels 2 thru 6 , VHF high band channels 7 thru 13 and UHF band channels 14 thru 51.

I recommend install a Winegard HD7082P , ALL band , ALL channel antenna aimed at about 240 degree magnetic compass.
Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Here are some Strong and Sturdy above the roof antenna mounts , http://www.ronard.com/909911.html , http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html , http://www.ronard.com/ychim.htmlhttp://www.ronard.com.

Buy the ronard antenna mounts at solidsignal buy typing the word ronard in the solidsignal search box.

Here are places to buy antennas and etc. , http://www.solidsignal.com . http://www.winegarddirect.com , http://www.amazon.com.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 3:26 PM   #16
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The Tv/s Must scan for the Digital Broadcast Tv Channels sometimes named the 'Air Channels' or 'Antenna Channels' in the Tv setup menu because the Tv transmissions travel through the air from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna.

Do Not scan for cable tv channels.
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 9:15 PM   #17
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Here is what Solid Signal is telling me. I'm trying to put everyone's input together. It is all much appreciated. Here is what they told me about the C5 and the DB4e. He said that they can be used together without an A-B switch. He didn't recommend using the diplexer that comes with the C5 either. He said to use a splitter upside down. I asked if the signals from the two antennas would battle, and reduce the signal, and he said it wouldn't. In the end, he said I really didn't have the best choice in antennas for my area, but try them and see what I can get. He recommended the Winegard HD7082P, as was suggested here, but said that I would need two, the 7082 and the 7084. Noted that they are big and ugly, but probably a better choice.........THOUGHTS?
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 9:28 PM   #18
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Solid Signals antenna recommendation is a much better choice, provided you install a Channel Master 9215 rotor.

Multipul antennas and in different spectrum ie. UHF and VHF can be joined without interference.

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Old 13-Jul-2012, 9:32 PM   #19
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Solid Signals antenna recommendation is a much better choice, provided you install a Channel Master 9215 rotor.

Multipul antennas and in different spectrum ie. UHF and VHF can be joined without interference, but it apears to me that in your case a VHF in one direction and the UHF in another is a work around that will not deliver reception of all available channels. The all channel Winegard antenna and rotor will.
The guy at SS said that I would still need two antennas....are you saing that one Winegard HD7082P would catch everything.....given a rotator better than what I have coming?
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 9:43 PM   #20
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Per Electron - "I recommend install a Winegard HD7082P , ALL band , ALL channel antenna aimed at about 240 degree magnetic compass."

By this, are we saying that a single antenna installed without the use of a rotator would do the trick?
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