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Old 28-Feb-2014, 1:00 PM   #1
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Newbie thinking of ditching the dish

I am currently with dish network and want to get rid of them. Attached is my tvfool report:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...5b94e274e12780

I would like to go to antenna IF I can go with a smaller one like the DB4E that I can attach to the backside (southside) of my chimney. I called one antenna store and they recommended a huge honkin 12 foot long one. I'm confused why the tvfool report shows most of my Houston locals in green (small set top antenna) when I live about 50 miles away? One thing going for me is the terrain drops away from me to the south, but there are some big pine trees there too.

I've done limited research and the biggest problem I'm going to have is some of the Houston locals are on vhf (why can't they all be uhf?). Anyway, all recommendations and tips are welcome. Thanks
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Old 28-Feb-2014, 7:14 PM   #2
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You don't need a big deep fringe antenna

The terrain is very favorable in your part of the country.

I'd suggest the Antennas Direct CS2-V. It has both UHF and H-VHF capability and based on the reported signal conditions, it's enough antenna to get the job done.

Don't pay attention to mileage estimates, your TV Fool report is far more accurate and informative about what will really work for your specific application.
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Old 28-Feb-2014, 8:12 PM   #3
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Aim the , C2-V-CJM , antenna , at about 160 degree magnetic compass direction.

Buy at , http://www.amazon.com.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Use a Real and Actual magnetic compass to aim antenna.

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For reception of the Tv stations in the Green and Yellow reception zones.

A antenna system amplifier is not required.

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For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a simple common 2 way splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a simple common 3 way splitter.

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The Tv/s Must Channel Scan for the ATSC-Digital Broadcast Tv Stations/Channels.

DO NOT channel scan for cable tv channels.

Go into the Tv Setup Menu and select ~ Antenna Channels ~ ATSC Channels ~ DTV Channels ~ Air Channels ~.

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Some satellite systems will accept and distribute Tv antenna signals and some satellite systems Will Not.

If satellite service is discontinued.

Then to reduce problems with Tv antenna distribution , disconnect and remove all satellite system componets such as and not limited to , multi-swithces , multi-plexers , combiners , splitters , couplers , amplifiers , power inserters , power supplies.

Yes the satellite system coaxes can be used for the antenna system.

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Old 28-Feb-2014, 8:18 PM   #4
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I have family in NW Houston, more or less south of you. They use a $9 set top rabbit ears unit with UHF loop, indoors, in a condo, and it's more than enough for them. Their report is more than half green even at 40 miles away. It doesn't seem to take much antenna to get clear reception there.

Just a single data point, of course, but it might make you feel better about the recommendations you get here.
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Old 28-Feb-2014, 8:30 PM   #5
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awesome, thanks for the replies. I had considered the clearstream2-v but didn't think it would be strong enough. after calling dish and complaining they cut my bill in half, but that's only through September. if they won't leave it that low, I will definitely cancel and give this antenna a try. will post back with results. thanks again.
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Old 28-Feb-2014, 11:42 PM   #6
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If the satellite system hardware will not distribute the Tv antenna signals.

You can still run a separate coax from the CS2V antenna to a Tv and receive ->Many<- channels for free.

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The December 2013 , page 42 , Consumer Reports , has a informative article about internet streaming receivers and services , Netflix , Hulu+ and more and the costs for the streaming services are Low.

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Old 2-Mar-2014, 4:13 AM   #7
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just for the heck of it, I bought a cheap $10 rabbit ears antenna from walmart. I picked up 20 channels....most are 50 miles away. nbc and fox are coming through in crystal clear hd. the vhf channels pixelate some, but I now have no doubt the clearstream 2-v will be plenty antenna for my area. thanks for the recommendation.
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Old 2-Mar-2014, 5:58 AM   #8
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Yes the Digital Broadcast Tv Stations/Channels are Crystal Clear HD.

Better then Cable and Better Then Direct Tv and Dish Network.

And the Internet Streaming Services are Nice and Clear.

Is interesting that Cable and Direct Tv and Dish Network continue to offer poor quality for higher and higher prices.

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And here are Digital Broadcast Tv Tuner/Recorders.

No monthly fees to rent the equipment , No monthly fees to record programing.

http://www.epvision.com.

http://www.channelmasterstore.com.

And here are some and not all Tv Guides.

http://www.zap2it.com.

http://www.titantv.com.

http://www.msn.com/tv/guide.

http://www.tvlistings.aol.com.

http://www.tv.yahoo.com.
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Old 2-Mar-2014, 8:54 PM   #9
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thanks for those links teleview. I plan on splitting the signal to our living room and master bedroom. is there any single dvr that has the capability to play back on either tv, or do you have to buy a dvr for each tv?

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Old 3-Mar-2014, 10:42 PM   #10
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trying to get an idea of how much an attic install affects signal strength......all else equal would I be better off with a winegard hd 7698p in the attic or a clearstream 2-v out on the roof?

I have a huge attic and have the room, but I do have tech shield foil on my roof decking. thanks
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Old 3-Mar-2014, 11:13 PM   #11
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trying to get an idea of how much an attic install affects signal strength......all else equal would I be better off with a winegard hd 7698p in the attic or a clearstream 2-v out on the roof?

I have a huge attic and have the room, but I do have tech shield foil on my roof decking. thanks
Attics are a huge variable... The only way to know what your attic is like, is to put an antenna up there and see what you get. It's entirely possible that you could have the worst attic in the state, and not even the 7698 would work. On the other hand, your attic may be fine and you could use the CS2-V and be delighted with the performance.
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Old 12-Mar-2014, 7:50 PM   #12
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in yalls opinion, which antenna is stronger, the CS2-V or CM4228-HD? Thanks
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Old 12-Mar-2014, 9:22 PM   #13
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The CM4228HD is stronger.

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www.amazon.com

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Old 13-Mar-2014, 10:01 PM   #14
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thanks teleview. I'm the type of person that like to research things to death before making a decision. I have found much info regarding the gain of the 4228hd, but none on real world gains of the cs2-v. I did find some blog where a guy strapped it to a lawn chair, but it was lacking detail.

does anyone know of any real data on the gain (vhf and uhf) of the clearstream 2-v? Thanks
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Old 14-Mar-2014, 6:40 AM   #15
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I strongly recommend do not put any Tv antenna in the attic.

Well being that you like to research.

You can put a antenna above the roof so that reception is not obstructed by the roof and building in the directions of South South East and North West.

Then you can place the antenna at various locations above the roof so that the roof and building are obstructing reception in the directions of South South East and North West.

And you can put the antenna in the attic and Test different locations in the attic and antenna aiming in the attic.

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Antennas Direct generally offers more comprehensive data than any other consumer grade antenna manufacturer.

http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/...V-antenna.html

http://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_f...D_Patterns.pdf

http://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_f...SWR_vs_Frq.jpg

http://www.antennasdirect.com/clears...ntalplane.html
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Old 14-Mar-2014, 10:23 AM   #17
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The tech data sheet for the C2V is on the website. Look under the "Documents" tab on any individual products page. If a TDS is available, that's where you'll find it. Not all products have such a data sheet and the web guy hasn't been consistent on putting a link to the TDS under all potential variations of a model so you may have to look in several spots to find what you're looking for. Tip: DB8 and C4 don't have formal sheets, so don't expend energy looking for those.

http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/...V-Antenna.html
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in yalls opinion, which antenna is stronger, the CS2-V or CM4228-HD? Thanks
On VHF, the C2V is probably more consistent across the whole high VHF band. On UHF, the 4228 will be a much narrower beamwidth, higher gain antenna.
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Old 14-Mar-2014, 1:13 PM   #19
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On VHF, the C2V is probably more consistent across the whole high VHF band. On UHF, the 4228 will be a much narrower beamwidth, higher gain antenna.
thanks, the high vhf is what I'm concerned with most, specifically channels 8, 11, & 13. so the CS2-V will outperform the 4228HD on these 3 channels?
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In the absence of substantive data from that manufacturer, I can only guess.

My guess is that the C2V's VHF dipole will be completely predictable and consistent with it's design while the VHF performance of the CM4228HD might be something other than predictable and consistent.
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