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Old 19-Sep-2013, 6:25 AM   #1
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Henderson, NV, can't get KLAS (CBS)

I live almost directly under Black Mountain, where there are several antennas for stations that I can pick up just fine. However, the CBS and ABC affiliates (KLAS and KTNV) are located a couple miles further back on another mountain. It says there is double edge diffraction for these signals. I don't know how/where to position the antenna to pick up any signal at all. My antenna is the Clearstream Micron XG with reflector and amplifier (up to 20dB), and a peak gain of 8.4dBi. I'm wondering if using the amplifier will help, but I'm not even picking up any signal to amplify. I can't put the antenna on the roof because of my condo association regulations. I guess I'm just confused as to how to deal with the double edge diffraction. Any help would be most appreciated.

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Old 19-Sep-2013, 5:15 PM   #2
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You can't use an amplified antenna at your location. Consider a Terk HDTVI antenna.
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Old 19-Sep-2013, 5:58 PM   #3
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The Micron isn't likely to help with those terrain-blocked VHF stations.

The smallest of our antennas that can be used indoors which includes reliable and predictable VHF support is our ClearStream 2V. You'll need to either fabricate or purchase a base for indoors usage, though. Please don't confuse the older ClearStream 2 with the newer ClearStream 2V.

As Tower Guy noted, you can NOT use any amplifier at your location. I'd suspect you'll likely need one or two FM filters while you're at it.

You may wish to call one of the affected station's engineering department. Ask them if your location near the base of the mountain is likely to receive their signals given the amount of shadowing likely present. I've found that almost all station engineers I've been in touch with are usually very willing to offer advice on how viewers can receive the signals from their equipment. They also usually know the limits of their coverage as far as where dead spots are known to exist.
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Old 19-Sep-2013, 6:52 PM   #4
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So, what is different about the Terk HDTVI antenna that would make it better? I'd just like to try to understand how it works better before I would buy it.
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Old 19-Sep-2013, 8:11 PM   #5
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The Terk HDTVi is a non amplified antenna, so it can't be overloaded by strong signals. It also has intentionally designed support for both UHF and VHF reception. Don't confuse this with the HDTVa which has a built-in amplifier.
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Old 19-Sep-2013, 10:11 PM   #6
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The Tv transmissions are Strong Signal Strength at your location.

Do Not use a amplified antenna.

What directions do ,

windows , patios , balconies , face??

What floor or floors is your condo unit??

What is the top floor of the condo building??



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The Main group of Tv Stations are to the , South West/West.

For better reception using the non amplified HDTVi (not the amplified HDTVa).

As high up as can get the HDTVi antenna.

Put the HDTVi antenna in a ~ South West/South ~ facing , window , patio/balcony glass door window.

As best you can aim the HDTVi antenna at about 180 degree magnetic compass direction , South.

Here is how to aim indoor and outdoor antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Use a Old School magnetic compass to aim antenna.

(If it takes a Long Continues Length of coax running through the condo unit to get the HDTVi connected to the Tv , then So Be It.)

Here are csome places to buy antennas and etc. .

http://www.solidsignal.com.

http://www.amazon.com.

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Digital tuners can develop - Digital Glitches - that are not cleared out with simple channel scans.

Do Double Rescan.

1. Disconnect antenna coax from Tv.

2. Do channel Scan.

3. Unplug Tv from power.

4. Wait a minute or so.

5. Plug Tv into power.

6. Connect antenna coax to Tv.

7. Scan for channels.

http://www.wchstv.com/DoubleRescanAlert.pdf.

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Old 26-Sep-2013, 1:53 AM   #7
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[QUOTE=teleview;38402]The Tv transmissions are Strong Signal Strength at your location.

Do Not use a amplified antenna.

What directions do ,

windows , patios , balconies , face??

What floor or floors is your condo unit??

What is the top floor of the condo building??

Every window faces NE/N, away from the antennas, which are in plain sight from S/SW, except for CBS/ABC, which are back a bit and getting bounced off the mountain. I'm on the 1st floor of a 2 floor condo unit with stucco. I'm just not sure where to point/place the antenna to get any digital signal from CBS/ABC, because of double edge diffraction.
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Old 26-Sep-2013, 2:16 PM   #8
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Okay, have you maid the phone call I specifically to you to make?

Until you do, you're just going to waste everyone's time and your own money.
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Old 26-Sep-2013, 9:24 PM   #9
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Stucko -> Wire <- aka chicken wire , is a Excelent reflector of tv signals.

The Tv transmissins bounce off the Wire and very little of the Tv signal gets to the antenna inside the building.

Placing a antenna in a window / patio door glass window , that is the ~direction~ of the transmitters will improve reception because glass and plexie glass is a very Small resistance to Tv transmission reception.

Here is the Federal Antenna Law that says , Yes you can install a antenna outside so as to have Reliable Broadcast Tv Reception.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html.

Install a ANT751 antenna on the outside of the building at a location that the building and or roof or both do not obstruct and block reception to the , South West / and North West.

Recommend install the ANT751 antenna UP High at a location that will provide the best unobstructed reception.

Here are some places to buy antennas and etc. .

http://www.solidsignal.com.

http://www.amazon.com.

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Old 27-Sep-2013, 1:23 PM   #10
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Install a ANT751 antenna on the outside of the building at a location that the building and or roof or both do not obstruct and block reception to the , South West / and North West.
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the ANT 751 may not get NBC on channel 2.
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Old 27-Sep-2013, 7:07 PM   #11
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KSNV channel 2 is over the top strong signal strength at 87.5 NM(dB) and will be received.
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