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Old 14-Nov-2015, 3:54 PM   #2
rabbit73
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Welcome to the forum, Jspyderr:

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The channels I want are (real) 10 (nm 3.1), 19 (nm 7.7), 28 (nm 3.0), 44 (nm5.5). Straight north of me. I am looking for the best antenna to pick up these channels......
10 KOLR CBS, NM 3.1 dB
19 KSPR ABC, NM 7.7 dB
28 KOZL MyN, NM 3.0 dB
44 KYTV NBC, NM 5.5 dB

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channel master 4228HD.....and supposed to be ok on some high vhf
net gain channel 10 is 4 dbi
That gain curve looks very bad; not to be trusted. The PCB balun isn't very good for VHF. The original 4228 did better on VHF.
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it looks like the hd7698p might be the best for me.
I agree.

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I will be feeding 4 TV's.
First you try it with one TV. Then you add a 4-way splitter. If you run out of signal, replace the passive splitter with a CM3414 distribution amp.
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do you think I will need a pre-amp? If so a strong one like cm7777 or a weaker one?.....Also channel 26 is fairly close to me, will this mess me up with a pre-amp
You will need a preamp for your weak 2Edge signals, but a 7777 will be overloaded by 26.
7777 specs
Max input level 15 dBmV = -34 dBm
Max output level 40 dBmV
FM trap 88-108 MHz; >15dB

K26GS, -33.3 dBm Signal Pwr + antenna gain 14 dB = -19.3 dBm, OVERLOAD

7778 specs
Gain 16dB
Max input level 34 dBmV = -15 dBm
Max output level 50 dBmV

K26GS, -33.3 dBm Signal Pwr + antenna gain 14 dB = -19.3 dBm, OK

But -19.3 dBm + 16 dB preamp gain = -3.3 dBm, Tuner OVERLOAD

Looking at it by Noise Margin:

K26GS, Noise Margin 57.6 dB + 14 dB antenna gain = NM 71.6 dB, OVERLOAD



Interpreting Noise Margin in the TV Fool Reporthttp://www.aa6g.org/DTV/Reception/tvfool_nm.html

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are either of these antennas directional enough that it wont?
The directional pattern will help attenuate 26 when the antenna is aimed North, but it might not be enough. CH 26 will be 74 degrees off-axis. Maybe down 15 to 20 dB.

If not, insert a Channel Plus NF-471 filter, and use KWBM for MyN.

NF-471: Notch Filter
Removes CATV channels 75-80 and UHF channels 24-29
Notch filter frequency 529.25 MHz to 559.25 MHz
24 530-536 MHz
25 536-542
26 542-548
27 548-554
28 554-560
29 560-566

http://www.markertek.com/product/cp-...FRKRfgodruUD5g

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp...FZSFfgodGyIMLQ

http://www.amazon.com/Linear-NF-471-.../dp/B000J3AEYA

Pete Higgins using NF-471
http://forum.tvfool.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=40

I couldn't find a curve for the NF-471, but I did find one for the NF-469 which gives you the idea. Here is a case using the NF-469:

http://www.highdefforum.com/local-hd...ml#post1388901

Using your short coordinates, I did an FMFOOL report to see if there were any strong local FM signals that might interfere with TV reception. You have KCWD on 96.1 MHz with a signal power of -20.1 dBm. If the FM filter in the preamp doesn't take care of it, you will need to add an FM filter before the preamp input.

You can do a more accurate FM report here:
http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?opti...pper&Itemid=29
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