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epricer 5-Oct-2013 6:31 PM

expertise wanted to land one more channel
 
I'm impressed with the community support provided here. Thanks in advance for extending it to me.

My signal analysis report has been helpful. All of the channels that I want are located at 77 degrees. With an old 2 bay bowtie antenna mounted on a short mast at 16ft AG I've been able to pull in all but CBS (22). NBC (14) is a little weak, but watchable.

I'm looking to replace the antenna with the goal of improving 14 and getting 22, but rather than make an educated guess I figured I would see what the experts think.

Thanks

ADTech 5-Oct-2013 8:10 PM

The CBS station is a VHF channel 13 operation. You probably need a medium range high-VHF/UHF combo instead of a 2-bay UHF design.

teleview 5-Oct-2013 9:34 PM

The Current Broadcast Tv stations/channels in the , USA , Canada , Mexico , are.

VHF low band channels 2 thru 6.

VHF high band channels 7 thru 13.

UHF band channels 14 thru 51.

Your location has receivable channels in the VHF high band and UHF band.

Recommend install a Channel Master CM4228HD , UHF/VHF high band antenna aimed at about 92 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Use a Real and Actual magnetic compass to aim antenna.

Your location has receivable broadcast Tv stations in the directions of , East , South East , South , South West , West , North West , North , North East.

The Best Pratice is to install the CM4228HD antenna at a location that has the least amount to no amount of obstructions of any type or kind in all of the directions.

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Install a Channel Master CM7778 preamp.

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For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a , Holland Electronics , HFS-2D , 2 way splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a , Holland Electronics , HFS-3D , 3 way splitter.

Buy the HFS splitters at , http://www.solidsignal.com.

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A Winegard DS3000 J pole type antenna mount works Ok with the CM4228HD antenna.

Here sre some more antenna mounts.

http://www.ronard.com/909911.html.
Use the , ronard(911) , 5 foot tripod antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html.
Use the , ronard(4560) , eave antenna

http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html.
Measure around the chimney and use a , ronard(2212) , ronard(2218) , ronard(2224).

Buy the ronard antenna mounts at , http://www,solidsignal.com , or buy from , http://www.ronard.com.

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Here are some places to buy antennas ans etc. .

http://www.solidsignal.com.

http://www.amazon.com.

http://www.channelmasterstore.com.

http://www.winegarddirect.com

http://www.ronard.com.

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Use the CM4228HD antenna to test reception of 2 Canada Digital Broadcast Tv stations/channels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBFT-DT.

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBMT-DT.

To Test reception , turn the antenna by hand to about 360 degree magnetic compass direction.

Rescan for channels.

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Digital broadcast Tv tuners can develop - Digital Glitchs - that are not cleared out with simple channel scans.

Do Double Rescan , http://www.wchstv.com/DoubleReScanAlert.pdf.

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If Canada channels are received and will like to continue to receive Canada channels.

Install a Second antenna system that is the same as the first antenna system.

The 2 antenna systems are 2 Complete Separate antenna systems , that Are Not connected together.

A remote control A/B antenna switch is used to select antenna systems.

A/B Antenna Switching is Channel Surfing Friendly , press the button on the hand held remote control , change antennas and keep on channel surfing.

http://www.mcmelectronics.cm.

Remote control A/B antenna switch , 32-4425.

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More information.

WCFE-DT channel 38 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCFE-DT , is strong signal strength and will be received through the back of the CM4228HD antenna.

When the antenna is aimed at about 92 degree magnetic compass direction.

W46ED-D 46 and W25BT-D 25 , Repeater transmitters , are the same as WCFE-DT 38.

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Tower Guy 6-Oct-2013 1:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epricer (Post 38793)
Rather than make an educated guess I figured I would see what the experts think.

Thanks

Choice 1 is a single antenna: Winegard HD7698P

Choice 2 is two antennas. It will work better on UHF, but cost more and be more complicated:
UHF 91XG
VHF Y10-7-13
Combine them using a UVSJ

epricer 6-Oct-2013 4:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADTech (Post 38800)
The CBS station is a VHF channel 13 operation. You probably need a medium range high-VHF/UHF combo instead of a 2-bay UHF design.

Perhaps I'm not reading this right, but I see WCAX-DT (CBS) as channel 22. Note that I do receive channel 14-WPTZ-DT (NBC) somewhat, but do not receive 13-WVNY-DT (ABC) at all.

Based on my understanding, I should I expect the CM4228HD to perform significantly better for channel 13 than the Eagle Aspen EASDTV2BUHF 2 bay, but what about 22 and 14?

Thanks for the quick responses.

ADTech 6-Oct-2013 5:36 PM

Oops, you're right. I got the "22"s mixed up. Sorry about that detail. The recommendation remains the same. I'd prefer to go with a more conventional recommendation rather than hoping for out of design-band reception. Tower Guy's recommendations are spot-on.

teleview 6-Oct-2013 7:13 PM

As per the , http://www.channelmasterstore.com , website shows that the CM4228HD receives the UHF band channels 14 thru 51 and VHF high band channels 7 thru 13.

ADTech 6-Oct-2013 9:42 PM

..and it has minimal specifications regarding such performance.

GroundUrMast 7-Oct-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tower Guy (Post 38823)
Choice 1 is a single antenna: Winegard HD7698P

Choice 2 is two antennas. It will work better on UHF, but cost more and be more complicated:
UHF 91XG
VHF Y10-7-13
Combine them using a UVSJ

Both are good options, I lean toward option 2... It makes the most of your chances at seeing the Fox affiliate WFFF. The path profile of WFFF makes me wonder if mounting a bit higher would change your signal conditions significantly.

A TV Fool report based on 25' or 30' would be interesting to look at.

epricer 8-Oct-2013 2:58 AM

WFFF actually comes in clearly now. It's one of the stronger channels. I should have been explicit. With the 2 bay I get:
WCFE-DT (Strong)
WFFF-DT (Medium)
WETK-DT (Medium)
WPTZ-DT (Weak, Breaks up depending on weather)

I don't get:
WCAX-DT
WVNY-DT

I have to say that the pattern doesn't make much sense to me.

I ordered the CM4228HD before people started lining up behind Tower Guy. I can try it out to see how it does, but is it realistic to think it will be sufficiently better on Channel 22 vs. my cheap 2 bay?

Going up to 30' boosts the NM(dB) values by about 4 - I don't know if that is significant. Selling my wife on a taller mast may be tough.


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