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itproman 13-Jan-2013 12:46 AM

Antenna Advice,Please
Location: Hastings,ON,Canada,K0L1Y0

TV Fool Report:

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Rabbit Ears Info:

note: 27 now hd,site not updated,yet.

My current setup:

*Master Bedroom: JVC Iart 30" CRT TV -1 HDMI,2 Component,Svideo,Composite
*Living Room: Sony Bravia 46" LCD 1080P Full HD

*Channel Master 2016HD on Camera Tripod on 2nd floor,2 way 10 db booster,54 ft cable to Living Room TV and short cable to JVC set.


12 -CBC-CHEX -Peterborough,ON,WNW,286 deg. mag,16.0 miles -100%
(upgrading to HD in Spring)
27.1,2-Global-CIII-Peterborough-SW-221 deg. mag.,18.9 miles -86%
(for some reason SD is 10.2[phy:27] "TEST002")
35.1 -CTV-CFTO-Peterborough-NW,300 deg,mag,29.9 miles -70+%

The only other local station is TVO in SD,east of Belleville,ON,ESE 101 deg,mag,37.5 miles
(nearest HD=Toronto SW 260 deg. mag 84.5 tropo)

I realize:

1)Need to mount TV Antenna(s) outside
2)Keep it simple
3)Need to get DTV Box for upstairs.I'm leaning towards Channel Master cm-7001.
4)Leaning towards Epvision PHD-VRX+ USB HDD for downstairs
5)Antennas need an upgrade -prefer to avoid rotor,if possible.
6)Need more signal on 35.1
7)Would be nice to get Rochester,NY!!!

*No matter which way I turn the antenna I still get 27.1 Global @ 275 kw! ie: ESE,it comes in at 70%.Lucky

*Have to stay pointed NW 300 deg. mag.,or lose 35.1(must narrow beam xmssn) .If I point SW,I get 27.1 @ 90% and,of course 12 still comes in,but no 35.1.

Could I do:

2 x cm2016HD mounted horizontally on west wall,6 ft apart?
2 x CM4228HD,or DB8?
Without A/B switch?
Preamp,or no?
Is Chimney Mount bad?

If I point 1 ant. sw,I might get Buffalo,NY,ie: 23 WNLO @1,000 KW(my folks west of me get it!),but what about 27.1 Global TV Network being so strong?


teleview 13-Jan-2013 5:13 AM

I reverse engineered a tvfool report that is close to your location.

Very hilly along the river.

Because of the location , CICO-DT REAL UHF Digital channel 26 , virtual number (26.1) TVO , is the one that complicates reception of Canada Tv stations.

At 40 feet antenna height , CICO 26 and CFTO 35 are receivable and 60 feet antenna height is better.

Antenna system #1. for reception of ,

CIII-DT REAL UHF channel 27 , virtual number (27.1) GTN.

CFTO-DT REAL UHF channel 35 , virtual number (35.1) CTV ONE.

Direction of Peterborough , CHEX-TV REAL Analog VHF channel 12 , CBC. Looks like is now Digital VHF high band channel 12.

For reception , above the roof in such a manner that the roof and house are not blocking reception to the , west , south west , install a Winegard HD7698P antenna , Antennas Direct CPA-19 preamp aimed at about 286 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas ,

For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a , HFS-2D , 2 way splitter.

Buy the HFS splitters at , , or ,


Antenna system number #2. for reception of CICO-DT REAL UHF Digital channel 26 , virtual number (26.1) TVO.

Above the roof in such a manner that the roof and house do not block reception to the east.

Install a Channel Master CM4228HD antenna with a Antennas Direct CPA-19 preamp aimed at about 101 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas ,

For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a , HFS-2D , 2 way splitter.


Antenna systems #1 and #2 are not connected together on to one coax.

Antenna systems , #1 and #2 are Separate antenna systems All the way to the locations of the Tv's.

At the Tv's locations the Separate antenna systems Will Be connected to a Remote control A/B antenna switch , , #32-4425 .

Saveandreplay has the same Remote control A/B antenna switch.

A/B antenna switching is Channel Surfing Friendly , press the button on the hand held remote control , change antennas and keep on channel surfing.

Putting 1 antenna on a antenna rotator is Not channel surfing friendly , must wait for antenna to rotate and there will be domestic situations about where the antenna is aimed.


Here are some places to buy antennas and etc. , , , , , , , ,


The reverse engineering to location close to your location shows that a antenna height of 130 feet or more shows a improvement in NM(dB) signal strength of the USA Digital Tv stations.

Also at the 40 feet and or 60 feet antenna height it is Ok to aim the HD7698P antenna with the CPA-19 preamp at about 178 degree magnetic compass direction and adjust antenna aim for best reception of the USA Digital Tv stations if received.

The aiming can be done buy hand as a Test of/for reception.


Also a antenna height of 1 foot above ground shows a improvement in the NM(dB) signal strength.

Sometimes as the Tv transmissions travel across hilly terrain the Tv transmissions are 'bent' down to the ground and become stronger.

This type of - Ground Wave - reception is a long shot and will most likely require moving the antenna to different locations to find reliable reception -->If<-- reliable reception can be found.

With the HD7698P antenna up high above the ground.

Searching/moving the location of the antenna for reception of the USA Digital Tv stations can also help find a stronger signal.

In the old days it was called 'walking the roof' searching for a signal hot spot.


Here is another way to receive Free Tv transmissions. All of the USA PBS channels and other channels are available on , FTA = Free To Air Satellite Tv. Small dish.

Here is a good place to start ,

saveandreplay has FTA equipment.

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