Winegard SS-3000 Good Enough in Toronto?
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Hoping anyone can help ~ I live about 12km west of the CN Tower in Toronto, ON. There's no way that I can put an HDTV antenna on my roof so I was considering getting a WINEGARD SS-3000 Indoor UHF/VHF Antenna. Here are my signal analysis results: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...c7233d546c4cf2 Can anyone give their opinion on this antenna and do you think I can get the majority of the channels by using it? Do you think I can @ least get some of the American channels? Or, is it a waste of money as I'll only get 3 or 4 local channels? (I live facing a bunch of townhouses.) Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :D Thanks! BBB |
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Other indoor antennas that work pretty well are the Philips PHDTV3 and the Terk HDTVi. Quote:
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Hi mtownsend:
Thanks for replying! :D Well, since my posting, I've been pretty busy and a friend of mine has since helped me set up a Qterra 22-421HD Outdoor HDTV Antenna in my attic which is about 30-35 feet from the ground. Here are the specs of the Qterra antenna: - HDTV & SDTV reception - wideband reception - Frequency: 45-860MHz - Gain: 25-30dB - Output Impedance: 75 - Standing Wave Ratio: <=1.5 - Power: AC 110v Here's what the antenna looks like: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6082/setup.th.gif The coax cable is connected to the antenna and we tried 2 scenarios: (1) we split a coax cable, connected it to the other cable that is built in to the AC adapter, and then connected it to my TV; (2) connected the coax cable directly from the antenna to the TV. In both scenarios, we were only able to get the 9 following channels: 05 CBC 09 CTV 19 TVO 25 SRC 41 Global 47 OMNI 1 52 CKXT 57 CITY 69 OMNI 2 From what you've said, I should be getting all the channels (including the American ones) using an antenna. I have a feeling that either: (a) this antenna is crap; or (b) we set it up wrong, it should be plugged in, and it's pointing in the wrong direction? Should I just trash this antenna and get a better one? Is there an antenna you can recommend that has great reception from inside an attic? It was a real hassle to set up this antenna and only get 9 channels. If I just get an indoor antenna and get the same results (9 channels), then I can @ least get rid of this indoor antenna and clean up the cable that's hanging down the side of our townhouse. Thanks again for your help! BBB |
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The antenna gain itself is probably in the range of about 12 dB in UHF frequencies and about -15 dB (yes, I mean negative gain) at VHF frequencies. The 25-30 dB of gain they are claiming is probably the gain of their built-in amp. An amp is actually a really bad idea in your situation because you have some very strong local analog stations. Signals this strong will overwhelm just about every amp on the market. You really need an unamplified antenna. Quote:
The antenna and power adapter should have come with a clearly marked DC-passing coupler. One port is designed to take power in and pass it through to another port up to the antenna. A third port (with no DC power allowed through) passes just the TV signals to your TV. If you just used an ordinary splitter in your first scenario, it might not have passed any power up to the antenna (or maybe the wrong voltage if power was passed to both the antenna and your TV simultaneously). Quote:
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I would try an antenna like the Winegard HD7696P and aim it directly at Buffalo (compass heading 156 degrees). This is a directional antenna, so hopefully, the strong local stations will be attenuated a bit since they would be coming in through the "side" of the antenna (where it is less sensitive). An even larger antenna (HD7697P) would be even more selective and might work even better if you can get it to fit in your attic. Just in case the local signals are still too strong for your TV's tuner to handle, you might want to install a variable attenuator (like this) near your TV so that you can adjust the power levels down when necessary. I'm not sure you'll be able to adjust this setup to receive all of the signals simultaneously since there are really three main clusters of channels (at 85, 217, and 156 degree compass headings). You might get lucky and find a sweet spot that happens to get all three clusters simultaneously (mostly pointed at Buffalo and getting the closer stations through the "sides" of the antenna). If that doesn't work, then some of the stations will be sensitive to your antenna aim. If it's important for you to be able to get all the channels from all directions, then you may want to consider adding an antenna rotator. |
Awesome! Thanks for the speedy response!
I had a feeling that there was a problem with my antenna since, after reading a lot of the posts here, people that set up "attic" antennas seem to get a lot more channels than I do. I'm going to take your advice and replace the antenna that I currently have but I seem to be having problems locating the antenna you suggested (Winegard HD7696P) in the Toronto area. From what I've read, a lot of people in Toronto are having a lot of success with the Channel Master 4221/4228HD set up in their attics. Do you have any opinion on this antenna? I know it's not the same as the one you suggested but @ least I can pick it up @ a nearby store here. http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8...ster4221hd.jpg Here are the specs: The Channel Master 4 Bay Antenna is a high quality UHF HDTV OTA Antenna optimized for DTV (Digital TV). Its not as big as its big Brother the 8 bay channel master 4228 and 4228HD with its 8 bays. Channel Master's model 4221HD antenna can receive digital and analog over-the-air TV signals in the UHF band only (over 90% of digital TV signals are in the UHF band). The 4221HD is optimized for "near-fringe" reception of HDTV. Its space-efficient design is suitable for roof and attic installations. Channel Master 4221HD is said to have a higher gain then the original 4221. The Channel Master 4221HD is classified as a Medium-sized Directional antenna. For Over the Air channels see our OTA page for channel listing by postal code within Canada or the USA. Details: - receives digital & analog UHF TV signals - range is 45 miles - reception "beam width" is 45 degrees - 4-bay bowtie dipole design - 20"W x 5-1/4"D x 36-1/4"H - 10" turning radius (if used with an antenna rotor) - includes 300-ohm-to-75-ohm adapter - mast not included - RG-6 cable is recommended - 10 inch Turning Radius - Far Suburban Rated - This is a Large Directional antenna and yields a beam width of about 45 degrees - Box size: L 37.5" H 21.5" W 5.5" Thanks again for all your help! You've been amazing! :) BBB |
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I'm also not sure what the Canadian broadcasters are planning to do when they switch completely to digital broadcasts (Aug 31, 2011). If some of them are planning to retain their VHF broadcast channels, then you may need to consider the VHF performance of your antenna or plan on changing antennas later. |
From the list of stations you recieve everything analog from Toronto.
You need a a DTV tuner. ATSC signals are only reciveable on a DTV tuner. The american stations no longer broadcast analog, so its no wonder you don't get them. With an Attic installation, you should get at least the strongest stations from buffalo. all Toronto stations are currently on UHF in DTV (except TVO 19) and only CFTO will be going to VHF high after the analog shutdown. It will be powerful enough, so your 4221 would get it fine. |
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I've tried the Qterra antenna line, being sucked by the cheap price at the local electronics store (Dixie & Matheson electronics mall). I think I paid $13.99 for it. I got what I paid for. Within a week the screws holding the elements to the reflector via the insulated supports were rusting. Junk. |
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