Tilt Feature of MCM Stellar Labs 30-2475 & 30-2476
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I will put this on the open forum where it belongs and you can add the photo as an attachment. You need an image host to put a photo in a PM. Can you show us a photo of how you actually do it with YOUR antenna? Stellar Labs 30-2476 extended https://freetvforme.wordpress.com/20...-labs-30-2476/ rabbit |
By Donnie on June 18, 2016
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30-2476 adjustable clamp
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Rabbit,
I'll try to get a better pic, this one doesn't show the incremental adjustment holes, but shows the curvature at the top: Attachment 2153 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469533592 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469533592 Sorry to say, I can't get the pics to show here in this forum. I used the technique as in Hi Def, doesn't seem to work. |
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Thanks for the photo, Bob. It works here too. You put the forward slash after the G instead of before the I.
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469533592 I edited your photo http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...4&d=1469545865 I see how it clamps around the boom, but I don't understand yet how the angle can be adjusted. Are the adjustment holes under the clamping plate or in it? How many degrees between each setting? Do you need to move two bolts, or just rotate the plate with the bottom bolt as a pivot? |
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HI Rabbit
OK, got it, the forward slash is before IMG at the end though. ( [/IMG] ) Attachment 2156 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469619573 OK I admit, I found this pic on the S.S. HDB91X install instructions. Stellar Labs could learn a lot from S.S. instructions. Anyhow, I believe that Solid Signal and Stellar Labs get their antenna clamps from the same supplier, because I put the two antennas up on the same day and saw no difference in the mast clamps. |
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Rabbit,
Here's a little extra effort on the clamp Pics. (I climbed the 10 foot tripod on my east array and zoomed the hi def camera). Kind of a little repayment for all your great help :) 30-2476: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469622564 HDB91X: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469622606 A zoom out to see the effects of a "first hole adjustment", I hope you can see the forward tip up: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469622817 |
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Thanks for the photos, Bob. I appreciate the extra effort that it took. I can see clearly how to make the adjustment.
If the notch sits on the bolt, then the angle doesn't shift. I see the upward tilt of your antennas, but it looks like the slot isn't long enough to have the boom horizontal with no tilt. Maybe a little tilt is a good idea. It helped with my 4-bay bowtie antenna tests, even when I had a clear LOS path over water from the transmitters. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...0&d=1469629130 |
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I forgot to mention that I was able to get the antenna level when I first installed it. I think my adjustment is between the first slot and the adjustment limit. In other words, my adjustment isn't locked into an adjustment groove. In the pictures, the flat washer covers the end of the adjustment in both antennas. Same with the HDB91X. I tilted them a little because of the distant trees. These two antennas have quite a bit of tilt when adjusted all the way. What about that car? Looks like someone is serious about checking signals. Thanks, Bob |
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The two antennas are the new Channel Master 4221HD and the original 4221. The 4221HD wasn't performing as well as expected because of some design faults. There is a modification thread on the DHC forum. http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/186-...are-hacks.html My post http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/1167870-post221.html My chart of test results: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1469716893 The second attachment is a larger version of the chart, but I like to limit the width of images that show in a post to 800 pixels; anything wider makes the posts too wide. |
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Assuming your mast is vertical, your 30-2476 is tilted up about 4 degrees from horizontal:
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The tilt adjustment has 5 notches and 4 peaks between the notches.
The angle between the 2nd and 4th peak is about 20 degrees, which means that the notches are about 10 degrees apart. The adjustment range for the notches is 0, 10, 20, 30 and 40 degrees. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...6&d=1469726978 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...7&d=1469727003 |
LOL. I was just looking at Rabbit's post with the photo of the antenna fixed to the roof of a car (post #8 above). It really gives a good visual image to the old adage "Up against the wall!" :D
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Yeah, not much signal coming off the wall.:)
The wall was used as a background to show the antennas clearly. You don't really think I did the test with the antennas aimed at the wall, do you? Looks like I'll need to edit the photo if that is the impression it gives. I actually used the setup down by the river, which gave a clear LOS path to the towers. The signals were quite stable, which was needed for a decent test, except when a boat passed by, which created dynamic multipath. I hunted for a long time and drove many miles to find a good test site. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...8&d=1469736308 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...9&d=1469736348 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...0&d=1469737054 TV Fool signal report: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cb2ad8638cf6 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...2&d=1469748519 |
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Wow! You have "protracted" my interest once again. You have so many tricks up your sleeve. How'd ya do it? I mean, superimpose the protractor over the photo? That my friend is very cool and useful. Your skills still amaze me. Makes me want to say O'S M! :rolleyes: Seriously though, 4 degrees, that seems to back up what I was thinking, the adjustment was between notches. I was going to go with the first notch, but the angle seemed to be too extreme. Even 4 degrees seems like a lot. I am wondering... Do you have any way to show an angle of what 4 degrees (or 5 or 10 or 20 etc...) aimed from my location to Milwaukee or Chicago transmitters would look like? Now that's a challenge! TV Fool report: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cbeac8b096de |
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Much has been said about the differences between the 4228 & 4228HD, but it appears to me that your 4221HD in most cases, does better than the 4221 even unmodified. Looks like a late '90's Ciera or other GM shared body. |
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I traded in the Buick for a nice 2010 Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix). The mechanic told me later that the problem was a compression return spring in the fuel pump that created an intermittent problem which was hard to diagnose. The spring broke in the center, so it changed its length according to how much one part mated with the other. So, my diagnosis was correct. He usually did better than that like when he repaired the A/C compressor clutch ('90 Geo) so I wouldn't have to buy another one. I helped him diagnose that one when I put an ammeter in the line from the fuse block to the clutch which showed an intermittent short that blew the fuse. He taped the wire in the clutch. The Buick had other problems that would need work, so it wasn't cost-effective to keep it. |
Rabbit, I remember when those cars were commonplace. The carburetors had issues. It was electronic mixture control solenoid and they used to stick.
Also, if it had the Buick V6 they used to suck intake gaskets. I also remember changing fuel pumps on the 2.8 engines. It had a long shaft on the pump with a large heavy duty spring and in some chassis it was difficult to remove But like you said at least in my experience you would fix one thing in the car and it would be back the next week for something else. It was very hard to explain to the customer that you what you fixed was not related to the new problem they had. Then when GM came out with port fuel injection on those cars a year or two later the injectors would fail. The Transmissions had trouble with the TCC clutch solenoid sticking so when you came to a stop it would die suddenly. Start it back up and drove away until the next stop. Yep those cars would not stay fixed. |
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This is the terrain profile that TV Fool shows for WMLW: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...ALLTV%26n%3d36 I don't know why TV Fool calls it CBS, when it isn't: http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wmlw Here is a terrain profile that I did using different software. You can see how the signal grazes the terrain just before it gets to your location. This profile and the tvfool report do not take into consideration trees or buildings, so your antenna height is important to clear them. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...3&d=1469837149 Here is another profile that I did, but I couldn't figure out how to add the antenna heights at each end like I did for the above profile, so it isn't much help. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...4&d=1469837915 Maybe this helps: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...5&d=1469843199 |
Rabbit, thanks for trying that, I knew you couldn't resist a challenge.;) That's pretty cool what you did do though.
There should be some sort of calculator that can project a path by change of antenna angle. There probably is, somewhere. That could be useful for people trying to clear trees or other obstruction by tipping their antennas. And NOT going too far :) Of course in the end, it's trial and error. |
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