Yes I rescanned after installing the new antenna. We do not have a rotator apart from us running out and re-adjusting. What note are you talking about on the Wiki link?

Also, I'm not getting analog channels. Even on the older tvs with converter boxes I'm not getting those. should I? Trying to figure all this stuff out!

I clicked on the links and opened the one from the FCC. On it there was a link to google maps, which shows a blue mark down by Edinburgh. Is that the tower you were taking about?

They have a translator on Channel 51 in your area. That signal shows in the green and is quite strong in your location. That should be viewable.

Just checked. I typed in 51 in the remote and got no signal. Tried on a new tv and an older one with a converter box.

Also tried 51.1

Check with some friends to see if they are having any problems receiving this station. I am out of ideas right now.

Does it matter which "end" of the antenna I'm pointing in that direction? Thank you so much for your help. We'll keep trying. I don't know anyone else around me that has an antenna. My dad lives next door and only has rabbit ears on a mini-tv in his shop. He doesn't get ION either, but I wouldn't expect him to with just rabbit ears. They have cable in the house.

Yes, the end that looks like a large V with a metal pole in the middle. <--- this side is the front. The poles that run out of the middle of the antenna that are small and round are the back side.

That only works on a select group of tuners (works on Samsungs!). Most do not support "direct access".

In general, the antenna must be receiving the signal during the channel scan in order for the tuner to memorize it.

In any event, that channel 51 translator was an analog facility which may or may not still be on the air. A CP was issued in '09 for a digital 34 facility, but, since that roughly coincided with ION's bankruptcy, I doubt that it has been built.

Digging around, looking at rabbitears.info, the only reference to WIPX that includes TSR data (Transport Stream Reader data implies the station was on the air so that someone in the vicinity could receive the signal) is for the WIPX-DT transmitter on real channel 27 (VC 63.x)

Additional antenna height and a good low noise preamp are logical next steps.

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Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html. I can also recommend a antenna that will work if you like.

This may be a tuner problem. I've compared different TV's over the last couple of years and found while one TV would get every channel available, a couple others would note. Most notably a Sanyo that I purchased I had to return because it would not get the same channels as the Sony and Samsung TV's that I demo'd at the same time.

Try a good pre amp and see if that solves the problem. That Ch. 51 translator does show up as a Pending digital signal for the future. So, at least according to TV Fool it may eventually hit the air. I also went to the FCC database and unless I missed something about the application being dismissed, it is still planned to go on the air at some point.

Are any of the converter boxes you have Zenith or Insignia units? These units feature a manual manual tuning feature so you can so if there is any signal at all, even if it is too weak to decode.

What brands of digital TV's do you have?

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If you like , I can recommend a antenna that will receive the tv stations to the north east and south west with one antenna. Also here are converter boxes , http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=380

John, the OP is now working on a second antenna. Stop implying you have some secret sauce the rest of don't have.

@marni13, I wish I had the chance to talk you into the larger antenna. Apparently the in-town digital relay on ch. 34 is not on the air (you have to enter 34 to get your tuners to directly go to that channel.) Your new TV may not have an analog tuner. If so, it will not see the ch. 51 station if it is on the air. The converter boxes definitely do not have analog tuners.

Go back and read my recommendations. With your setup, you will need a preamp to zero out cable losses. Hopefully, that will give you just enough signal-to-noise ratio for the main ION channel so it will decode.

Please take time to read the Signal Analysis FAQ that's linked to in your report. It should help you better understand what is going on.

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I recommend a Antennacraft U8000 antenna aimed at about 206 degree magnetic compass. A simple modifacation of the U8000 antenna that makes the U8000 antenna into a 2 direction antenna is to remove the 18 reflector rods by drilling out rivets that hold the flat metal clips and reflector rods in place. http://www.antennacraft.net/pdfs/U8000.pdf . Now the U8000 will receive the tv station (WNDY-TV) to the north east and south/south west group of tv stations. No need for rotor or additional wiring.

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Here are some tv guides , http://www.zap2it.com , http://television.aol.com , http://tv.yahoo.com , http://tv.entertainment.excite.com , http://www.tvzap.com , http://www.titantv.com. Tv guides mostly list the tv channels as the virtual channels. Also digital tv stations can begin broadcasting at any time and new digital sub channels can be added at any time with out prior notice , so is a good idea to scan for new channels from time to time.

I still can't get ION. I'm not nearly as happy with this Antenna Craft as I was with the original antenna I had. I'm going to get a rotor and raise the antenna some more to see if this helps. If not, I'll look into getting a preamp. Alot of our channels are pixelated, which is very frustrating. We didn't have nearly as much trouble with the original antenna, which I returned!