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Old 9-May-2019, 12:52 AM   #1
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RetroTV Returns to SOCAL

For those OTA enthusiast's in SOCAL LA/OC waiting for RetroTV to return after being off the air from virtual Zombie KBEH 63-3, or actually KWHY 22 (real channel 4 now after repack), good news was posted yesterday from Retro TV's Facebook site. They will be returning to KWHY 22-2 (virtual) on June 1, 2019. Facebook posts were pulling for KDOC 56-10 (virtual, real channel 12), since most folks out here seem to have antennas in the VHF-High/UHF range, but my best guess is the price was right for RetroTV with KWHY 22. Just guessing though.

So, I'm going to add a Winegard HD7000R to my outdoor set up to optimize my low VHF reception going forward with repack. You never know who else is going to end up "back to the future," on low VHF. (Check out the Amazon reviews for this antenna).

However, due to the "flame thrower" signal of KWHY 22, I'm actually picking up their signal on my 32" Samsung SNR 20dB, with my Antennas Direct Indoor ClearStream Flex! So, I would think that even the old standby indoor Rabbit Ears antennas might just capture their signal even stronger depending on your location, in a pinch, etc. BTW, I'm in a strong signal location and haven't noticed any local interference to real channel 4.

Anyway, RetroTV fans out here are cheering the return of their old school favorite programs!

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Old 9-May-2019, 1:43 PM   #2
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Hello I think you're right about the Rabbit ears trip but I love too RECEIVE my hi&low band vh f BROADCASTING TOWER's 1500miles away with my stacked Winegrud 's
In mass on a 150ft tower it goes so we'll with my inverted V antenna for my HAM radio station.QSL!!73"
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Old 22-May-2019, 7:06 PM   #3
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Old 31-May-2019, 11:31 PM   #4
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Retro TV Returns to SOCAL

Posted a couple hours ago on their Facebook page, RetroTV has updated their reentry to the LA Market. Originally scheduled to air on June 1, due to a "slight delay," they will now begin on June 15.

Disappointed posters are lamenting the delay, but this will give some more time to change their OTA antennas to receive KWHY 22-2 (virtual, real channel 4). Some have lost reception of the station with their indoor antennas. And one person called KWHY 22 about the issue and was told that the FCC has ordered KWHY to lower their signal so as not to interfere with another station near the California-Mexican border.

I can't confirm the posters' call to KWHY 22, but 35 miles south of Mt. Wilson their signal is strong, on my Samsung TVs 34dB SNR. And according to the Longley-Rice map at RabbitEars, it confirms it. (See my above post for inexpensive and fairly easy antenna options).

Anyway, as is often the case in life, hurry up and wait.....
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Old 1-Jun-2019, 12:26 AM   #5
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...the FCC has ordered KWHY to lower their signal so as not to interfere with another station....
Oh, that's a rich one! I don't suppose the station mentioned the $123,474,177 that they got for volunteering to sell their UHF allocation and agreeing to go to low-VHF. There is no station "near the California-Mexican border" on VHF 4 for them to interfere with. Have to throw the "BS" flag on both of those excuses.

At 35 kW on VHF 4, that's one of the "hottest" low-VHF channels on the air that I know of. Good to hear that the Flex is working for you on VHF 4 at that distance, even indoors! Not too surprised (due to the power levels) but it wouldn't be something I'd readily expect.

With two 720p and eight(!) SD sub-channels, I can hardly wait to hear about what their image quality is going to look like if they maintain that list of channels.
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Old 1-Jun-2019, 1:37 AM   #6
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Retro TV Returns to SOCAL

Good to hear from you again, AdTech! Hope your runs all turned out well!

Just so I'm fair and accurate, here's the actual post from RetroTVs Facebook page regarding our above comments on said issue:

"Andrew Gallagher: I spoke to KWHY 22 and they told me the FCC ordered the station to weaken their signal. Years ago, they also told another Retro affiliate in Los Angeles, Channel 8, to weaken their signal to defer to an NBC affiliate in San Diego. Small TV stations in the U.S. don't have as much clout as the network owned or affiliated TV stations. The only solution is to invest in a roof antenna that picks up low-power stations."

As I said, I cannot confirm his conversation with KWHY 22, but this is what he posted. But it wouldn't surprise me, either. I've had a few conversations with several of our local TV stations regarding various issues, and they usually are very defensive and quick to point out an "outside culprit," as reason for the particular problem. But I agree with your assessment: "Have to throw the 'BS' flag on both those excuses."

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Good to hear that the Flex is working for you on VHF 4 at that distance, even indoors
Yes, indeed AD Flex antenna is the most consistent and able performer in the class of indoor antennas I've used. I was surprised too, at it's reception of real channel 4, outside of its frequency specifications! If you get a chance to talk to your engineers, ask them to extend its "real estate" in an updated future version. That way when I really do get too old to play around with my antennas on my roof, I'll still be able to enjoy good reception indoors with a new Super Flex!

All the best, ADTech…..

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Old 15-Jun-2019, 6:15 PM   #7
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Retro TV Returns to SOCAL

The native's are getting restless as Retro TV has NOT appeared on SOCAL LA/OC TV stations (OTA & Cable) yet as promised on their Facebook page. June 15 was supposed to be the date! Fingers crossed for perhaps just a few hours away??? Here are some of the Facebook posters currently:

Robert Deckman It's June 15, I'm in Los Angeles, tuned to channel 22-2. No Retro TV!!!


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Eddie Pratt No Retro on 22.2 on June 15th. What's goin' on?

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Chester Brown I have been looking too. When does it start broadcasiting?

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Don Harkey It's not on Spectrum 1289 as of 10:00 am yet either.....Hope it's still gonna happen eventually.


Phil Hansen Not on Spectrum 1289 in Los Angeles at 11:55 AM! I am furious because I want to watch THE DOCTORS!
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Ray Dawson I gather something has fallen through....
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Stephen Tulley It's now June 15 at 5 PM PT.....and no Retro TV on 22.2 as promised! What gives?! You already made us wait for two weeks!
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Darren Gross Yeah, still not seeing the channel.
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Top Fan
Richard Summers Here in La Mirada, CA at 10:35pm Spectrum 1289 is still showing Religious programming in Spanish. Still no Retro Television (and Doctor Who). Hopefully someone from Retro Television will post here with an update.
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(No update on Retro TVs Facebook page, June 16 and obviously hours have now rolled into another day without any information about future in the SOCAL LA/OC markets. At least Retro TV owes its fans some explanation since like all FCC licensed stations they should serve in the public interest??? Fans continue to post.....)




Top Fan
Harvey Chow Not on 22.2 as told here in Buena Park I’ve been watching classic Doctor Who on PlutoTV
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Top Fan
Harvey Chow Use to be able to record on PlayOn but looks like they took PlutoTV off their list of available to record
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Chester Brown Pains me to say this Retro TV is a joke. I enjoy a couple of the shows, but I like Harvey can find the content elsewhere. The fact most cities are dropping it shows how well it's ran.
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(Still no update on Retro TVs Facebook page as of June 18-19 and no Retro on KWHY 22.2/real channel 4 or cable channels either, but more fans post.....)

Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth There is no 1289 channel on my Spectrum. I get Retro off of my outdoor antenna on channel 22.2. Are they the same network?
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Chester Brown Yes but are you getting Retro now cause I'm not on 22.2
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Tara Szejner McQuade Ok Retro....what’s the update?!?!?
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Ray Dawson Why do I have the feeling that the update, if there is one, will be "Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here"?
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Tiffany Terry DuFoe Retro get a Roku or Apple TV app then everyone can get Retro without local Ch dropping or not carrying you
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(Yet still NO UPDATE on Retro TVs Facebook page as of June 20-21! Really??? Extended posting from Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth and Barbara Radowitch; a comment from Chester Brown on June 22.....)


Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth There is no 1289 channel on my Spectrum. I get Retro off of my outdoor antenna on channel 22.2. Are they the same network?
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Barbara Radowitch I just checked and it's still universal church spanish so how are you getting retro?
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Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth Barbara Radowitch I get it from Tuscaloosa, AL as I live about 45 miles north. It does not give any info on the channel as to what is coming on and I was searching for Retro Television Network and found this site. I also get The Family channel, Action, Revn and Heartland along with Retro all on the 22 channel, 22.1, 22.2, 22.3, 22.4, 22.5 and none give info on them. Sorry for the confusion. We have Spectrum cable and these sub channels are not on our line up here in alabama.
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Barbara Radowitch Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth OK your retro tv 22.2 is in a different state ours is in LA California 22.2 KWHY and we don't have it yet. Your lucky we don't get The Family Channel and The Action Channel and Heartland. Used to have Heartland but it was taken off for some dumb spanish channel. Your even luckier to have all them all lined up that in a row.

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Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth Barbara Radowitch we lost GET TV out of Birmingham which was very clear, when some stupid video channel took it's place. Sometimes the channels on 46 will pop in when I scan and that has about 7 channels and now including GET but they don't stay on long, usually about 2-3 days then GONE.......can't figure it out why. I checked Dishnet's channels and they now carry 11 of the sub channels I get on my antenna for free. we have charter spectrum and it only carries LAFF, ME TV, ANTENNA TV, H&I, ESCAPE AND PBS CREATE. we now get all those plus GRIT, DECADES, START, LIGHT(Roma Downey's channel), COMBO, the 5 on 22 all for free. there are still other channels like COZI and CHARGE TV we don't get yet but hoping we will some day soon. as a kid 1 of my favorite tv shows was Route 66, well it comes on 4 nights a week on the Action channel, I love it and that makes me happy, I just wish I knew what their lin up was. I can't sit and watch it all day and night to find out so I learn by accident.
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Barbara Radowitch Edna Earle Gipson Edgeworth Maybe the channels on 46 Is getting low signal strength for some channels if the signal strength is below 16% the channels will cut out for other channels it's when the signal strength gets below 20% the chanels will cut out. Get a signal strength indicator to see if the channel is getting adequate signal strength.
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Chester Brown I going to vote Retro TV as the best in customer service. I have had girlfriends who hated me ignore me less than Retro TV
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Old 22-Jun-2019, 8:31 AM   #8
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Retro TV Returns to SOCAL


So what's REALLY going on with Retro TV returning to SOCAL LA/OC???

As of this early post, still NO update on Retro's Facebook page. Retro TV owes its fans an explanation. Delay? Change of a channel to another station? (Interestingly, last weekend, June 15, when promised to start broadcasting on KWHY 22-2, real channel 4, which turned out to be a no show, KDOC 56-10, real channel 12, was available again for lease after about two weeks of broadcasting an Asian Shopping Network. Is Retro TV in negotiations with KDOC now? Who knows since there's been NO update!)

Since "mum" seems to be the word from Retro TV presently, I took a look at KWHY 22s website with the attitude, "if you can't beat them, join them." There was no mention of Retro TV anywhere that I could see, but they did have an interesting article on recommended antennas to watch their channel with, (if you can't read Spanish or translate it's easy to figure out).

https://www.kwhy22.com/2019/04/30/la...r-el-canal-22/

As I also mentioned at the beginning of this thread, the Winegard HD7000R and an RCA indoor rabbit ears amplified antenna are what they recommend to receive their current real channel 4. Plus seen are two of Antennas Direct outdoor models, but I believe those were when KWHY 22 was broadcasting on real channel 42.

Poking around on the Net for any other relevant information about this very frustrating issue, I came across KWHY 22s Wikipedia page and RabbitEars.Info current market information. Both state clearly that Retro TV will "Soon" (their specific word) begin broadcasting on 22.2, real channel 4. I've listed the links below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWHY-TV

https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...ility_id=26231

But when will Retro TV actually return to the SOCAL LA/OC market's? That's the million dollar question. Until they update and clarify on their Facebook page, you might as well take your chance at the crap tables in Las Vegas!

Come on Retro TV, do right by your fans! And let us know when and where we can expect some of our favorite shows to return!

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