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Old 3-Sep-2011, 8:32 PM   #1
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Hey, all. I'm a newbie to the wonderful world of TV antennae. I live on the fringe reception area for Los Angeles and have a peculiar situation.

In the past we had COX Cable. Since dropping it, we've left the coax plugged into the television and seem to get the OTA broadcast stations. A few are in HD, but most are SD.

If I unplug the coax from either the wall or the TV, the signal cannot be found. We are not paying COX for any TV service, so I don't know why there should be anything coming through the cable. Unless this has anything to do with the fact that they are our ISP as well or just an error on COX's part?

The SD channels come in on strange channels (i.e. FOX 11 is on 90.87) as well.

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Old 3-Sep-2011, 10:59 PM   #2
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Hey, all. I'm a newbie to the wonderful world of TV antennae. I live on the fringe reception area for Los Angeles and have a peculiar situation.

In the past we had COX Cable. Since dropping it, we've left the coax plugged into the television and seem to get the OTA broadcast stations. A few are in HD, but most are SD.

If I unplug the coax from either the wall or the TV, the signal cannot be found. We are not paying COX for any TV service, so I don't know why there should be anything coming through the cable. Unless this has anything to do with the fact that they are our ISP as well or just an error on COX's part?

The SD channels come in on strange channels (i.e. FOX 11 is on 90.87) as well.

Here's my profile:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...8387a2c908808f

Please let me know if other info is needed.
It sounds like your TV tuner is still configured for operation in 'cable' mode. The cable company likely distributes some or all of it's 'basic' channels in an un-encrypted format which would make it possible to see them if the cable company has not physically disconnected the drop wire to your home. Because you are still using the internet service, they can't disconnect you.

To see OTA signals with your TV, you'll need to reconfigure the tuner to 'air' or 'antenna' mode through the setup menu on the TV.

For reliable OTA reception, you'll need an outdoor antenna aimed at 323. I would expect any of the Winegard HD769x series antennas to be a good choice. Some folks may consider the HD7698P to be more than needed, but you're slightly blocked by a hill fairly close in. The HD7694P would be the minimum antenna I could recommend.

One last thought, try generating another TV Fool report using the height of your roof peak plus 10 feet. You may get lucky and see some station paths change to LOS (Line of Sight). If so, the smaller antenna would become a great option for you.
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Old 3-Sep-2011, 11:55 PM   #3
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Do Not connect a Tv antenna to a active cable system of any type or kind , active cable Tv , active cable internet , active cable phone , if the cable line is active Do Not connect a Tv antenna to it.
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Old 4-Sep-2011, 12:02 AM   #4
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I recommend a All Channel Antenna , all the broadcast Tv antenna channels are , VHF low 2 thru 6 , VHF high 7 thru 13 and UHF 14 thru 69. The Winegard HD7082P antenna aimed at about 340 degree magnetic compass. The all channel antenna will receive K39GY real digital channel 2 that has this programing , http://www.myretrotv.com , http://www.amgtv.tv , http://www.americaone.com

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Old 4-Sep-2011, 12:09 AM   #5
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Here is how to aim Tv antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html . Also read and understand about . REAL Digital Broacast Tv Channels , Virtual Digital Broadcast Tv Channels , Analog Broadcast Tv Channels , http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=695
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Old 4-Sep-2011, 12:14 AM   #6
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Here are some antenna mounts , http://www.ronard.com/909911.html , http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html , http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html. Here are places to buy antennas and ect. , http://www.solidsignal.com , http://www.amazon.com , http://www.starkelectronic.com , http://www.3starinc.com
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Do Not connect a Tv antenna to a active cable system of any type or kind , active cable Tv , active cable internet , active cable phone , if the cable line is active Do Not connect a Tv antenna to it.
Any thoughts as to why K39GY doesn't show up in the OP's TVFR?

Absolutely right about keeping the cable company and OTA antenna systems separate.
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Old 4-Sep-2011, 6:46 AM   #8
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K39GY does show up in the pending applications included. Also showing up in the pending applications included is , KVTU-LP 3 and KRVD-LP 5. I am excluding KSFV-LD 6 because it is likely transmitting as a FM radio station. As you know the analog Tv channel 6 FM audio carrier is very close to the FM radio band and with a slight frequency shift can be received on Fm radio. Analog Tv channel 6 in some markets have been doing this for , many , many years. There has and still is many articles in the trade magazines about channel 6 Tv stations maintaining the ability to transmit the Tv audio as fm as a radio station even if the station goes to digital. And if KSFV is transmitting as a digital Tv station . well then thats one more Tv station.

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My bad for not looking at the pending + current.
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The SD channels come in on strange channels (i.e. FOX 11 is on 90.87) as well.
Your CATV is still active. Your TV set is receiving unencrypted QAM channels.
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