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Old 8-Aug-2018, 12:57 PM   #81
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Here is an article about the WXXI antenna.

https://www.fybush.com/site-of-the-w...ill-rochester/
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Old 8-Aug-2018, 1:04 PM   #82
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Here is an article about the WXXI antenna.

https://www.fybush.com/site-of-the-w...ill-rochester/

Thanks!
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Old 8-Aug-2018, 11:43 PM   #83
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Here is an article about the WXXI antenna.

https://www.fybush.com/site-of-the-w...ill-rochester/
Really interesting reading....................
Thanks for the post.
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Old 22-Aug-2018, 12:26 AM   #84
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Another little incident to add:

The last few nights I had problems getting channel 13; the audio would cut in and out and the picture would distort, although never go away completely. Ch 13 has always been strong and I've never had any problems getting it.

When I do have reception problems I usually check my bedroom TV also, to confirm that the problem is upstream from the TVs -- which it always has been.

So last night the living room TV was not getting 13 very well, so I check the BR TV and it was okay. Wut??

I check the connection on the back of the bad TV. I wiggled it a bit and the signal came in good. I made sure the nut was snug and left it. So it's either the cable or the TV terminal, most likely the cable I would think.

I'm leaving it alone for now. However, a question for the gurus: Could this connection problem only affect ONE channel? Doesn't make sense to me, but I know nothing about the technicals of all this.
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Old 22-Aug-2018, 12:53 PM   #85
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Greetings Dagwood,

Yes, yes, yes. I had a similar problem with one of my home
televisions. Rf 6, which is a translator for NBC, KNAZ Flagstaff,
would intermittently have issues. It is one of the stronger signals
here but even so, it was the only channel I had problems with.
I now tighten all connections by hand and then finish with a small
wrench......
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Old 24-Aug-2018, 5:21 PM   #86
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I have heard that it is also best to avoid mixing RG-59 and RG-6 into and out of of connectors because of the different diameters of the center conductors of each. The thicker RG-6 center conductor can "stretch" the female parts of connectors so that they don't work as well when you put RG-59 back into them, and negatively impact signal transmission. Also, if the ends of center conductors are snipped so they become flattened (non-factory cutting), it can cause problems. Best to cut them so they come to a nice spear-like point, if possible. Rabbit has some nice example pictures which he may post.
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Old 24-Aug-2018, 6:25 PM   #87
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The thicker RG-6 center conductor can "stretch" the female parts of connectors so that they don't work as well when you put RG-59 back into them, and negatively impact signal transmission.
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Old 25-Aug-2018, 12:22 AM   #88
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Greetings Dagwood,

Yes, yes, yes. I had a similar problem with one of my home
televisions. Rf 6, which is a translator for NBC, KNAZ Flagstaff,
would intermittently have issues. It is one of the stronger signals
here but even so, it was the only channel I had problems with.
I now tighten all connections by hand and then finish with a small
wrench......
Hey Joe! I hope all is well with you.

More problems, surprise surprise. Channel 8 (CBS) has been out for a couple of days now. I was on the roof a couple of hours ago (no wind, but I took cordless phone with me anyway, lol) and no matter where I turned the antenna I could not get anything at all from 8. (What I do is open my 8 foot glass door and crank the volume up on the TV before I climb he ladder. It is tuned to the channel I'm trying to tweak in. When the audio comes in, I can hear it from the roof.)

Channel 8 was always one of my weakest channels, but I never really had trouble getting it, so this was curious indeed especially considering the weather: clear and cool.

So I started this post, and after the first couple sentences I decided to see if 8 was having transmission problems -- as 21 was a while back, that YOU alerted me to. Thanks for that.

So here it is, right from their website.

"A specialist coming in Friday will examine and hopefully be able to solve the issue."

Well it's Friday night and it isn't fixed yet. But at least I know what the problem is, and that it is out of my control.

EDIT @ 8:54 PM: So a half-hour after making this post I turn the TV on, and there is channel 8! All is well in the world again -- I can watch That 70s Show, and Heidi on Home Improvement.

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Old 25-Aug-2018, 1:13 PM   #89
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Greetings Dagwood,

I suspect many, many stations have issues from time to time.
Some of those issues are made public but sometimes they are not.

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Old 26-Aug-2018, 2:32 PM   #90
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Greetings Dagwood,

I suspect many, many stations have issues from time to time.
Some of those issues are made public but sometimes they are not.

Take Care, Joe
GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey AZ bud!

Yes, I'm sure they have problems, as I've experienced with both PBS and CBS just within the past few weeks. Because my digital reception with some stations can be edgy from atmospheric conditions, or certain station signals are always weak because of my location, my first assumption is that the problem is always with MY antenna system.

I will have to stop thinking that way when I have additional problems and will check online first. This actually makes sense because those two stations above just went out completely and totally, were 100% dead. When I have reception problems that are on my end the audio starts cutting out, then the picture stalls, etc. it doesn't just go completely dead.

Here's something I've been wondering: When I was young (long time ago) stations would of course go haywire from time to time, but it only seemed like it would be for a short time -- an hour or two -- not days like now.

Just guessing: Digital broadcast systems are more complex (more potential things to go wrong) than analog, and:

In the old days, OTA was all there was, so when the signal went out it was a very high priority to get fixed, not so today with cable, etc.

Comments anyone?

Joe, you are a Bills fan? Did you tell me that some time ago? -- sounds familiar. Ha, we will see if this year is any different.
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Old 26-Aug-2018, 6:23 PM   #91
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Digital equipment is harder to fix than analog, but it doesn’t fail as often. That makes it less likely that a failed part is kept around as a spare. It also means that the maintenance staff is smaller and tends to be more specialized.

In the case of WXXI the failure was on the tower. The station does not have a climber on staff. The climber they hired came from Syracuse. (Alpha Antenna Service) I don’t know what failure they found nor if the failed part happened to be available. I did learn that the WXXI tower suffers from a vortex problem, meaning that it oscillates in the wind. That causes mechanical stress on the antenna and transmission line.

I am a retired TV engineer who also did a bit of tower climbing and antenna troubleshooting. Like Joe, I grew up in WNY and still root for the Bills.
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Old 26-Aug-2018, 9:44 PM   #92
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Digital equipment is harder to fix than analog, but it doesnít fail as often. That makes it less likely that a failed part is kept around as a spare. It also means that the maintenance staff is smaller and tends to be more specialized.

In the case of WXXI the failure was on the tower. The station does not have a climber on staff. The climber they hired came from Syracuse. (Alpha Antenna Service) I donít know what failure they found nor if the failed part happened to be available. I did learn that the WXXI tower suffers from a vortex problem, meaning that it oscillates in the wind. That causes mechanical stress on the antenna and transmission line.

I am a retired TV engineer who also did a bit of tower climbing and antenna troubleshooting. Like Joe, I grew up in WNY and still root for the Bills.
Thanks, very interesting stuff! I don't know where else I could learn all this, but am glad to build up my knowledge from this site.

Where in WNY did you grow up? I'm from Webster (outside of Rochester) originally, and have been "down in a holler" between Honeoye and Canandaigua Lakes for the past 36 years.
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Old 27-Aug-2018, 6:01 PM   #93
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Where in WNY did you grow up? I'm from Webster (outside of Rochester) originally, and have been "down in a holler" between Honeoye and Canandaigua Lakes for the past 36 years.
I grew up in the Town of Wheatfield in Niagara County. From there we received TV from Buffalo, Toronto, and Hamilton.

The WXXI tower was built by Fred Nudd, located on Rt 104 in Ontario, NY. I met Fred in 1975. The owner of Alpha is Rodney Gifford. I hired Rodney many times. He does excellent work.
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Old 28-Aug-2018, 12:45 AM   #94
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I grew up in the Town of Wheatfield in Niagara County. From there we received TV from Buffalo, Toronto, and Hamilton.

The WXXI tower was built by Fred Nudd, located on Rt 104 in Ontario, NY. I met Fred in 1975. The owner of Alpha is Rodney Gifford. I hired Rodney many times. He does excellent work.
One of my sisters lives about a mile north of 104, in Ontario. We all graduated from Webster schools.

What company is "Alpha"? Is that who Fred worked for?
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Old 28-Aug-2018, 2:36 AM   #95
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One of my sisters lives about a mile north of 104, in Ontario. We all graduated from Webster schools.

What company is "Alpha"? Is that who Fred worked for?
Tower Guy's background is a TV station engineer. He knows a lot about towers, antennas, and TV reception. See his post #91 above.

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Alpha Antenna Service, Inc., located in Manlius, NY, was established in 1980. Its CEO is Rodney L. Gifford.
http://wirelessestimator.com/content...struction_News
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Three workers hospitalized after rigging
accident near Utica, New York

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Old 28-Aug-2018, 1:22 PM   #96
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Hey AZ bud!

Yes, I'm sure they have problems, as I've experienced with both PBS and CBS just within the past few weeks. Because my digital reception with some stations can be edgy from atmospheric conditions, or certain station signals are always weak because of my location, my first assumption is that the problem is always with MY antenna system.

I will have to stop thinking that way when I have additional problems and will check online first. This actually makes sense because those two stations above just went out completely and totally, were 100% dead. When I have reception problems that are on my end the audio starts cutting out, then the picture stalls, etc. it doesn't just go completely dead.

Here's something I've been wondering: When I was young (long time ago) stations would of course go haywire from time to time, but it only seemed like it would be for a short time -- an hour or two -- not days like now.

Just guessing: Digital broadcast systems are more complex (more potential things to go wrong) than analog, and:

In the old days, OTA was all there was, so when the signal went out it was a very high priority to get fixed, not so today with cable, etc.

Comments anyone?

Joe, you are a Bills fan? Did you tell me that some time ago? -- sounds familiar. Ha, we will see if this year is any different.
Not too terribly long ago, our CBS affiliate suffered a major failure
at their South Mtn Tower in Phoenix, AZ. While satellite and cable
viewers were unaffected, broadcast viewers in the Northern 2/3 of
Arizona were without CBS for 5 days. You are correct in your assesment
that broadcast is not as important as it once was. You are also
correct with your assertion that stations have downsized staff and
maintenance has been reduced.
I regularly watch newscasts from WGRZ NBC and WKBW ABC Buffalo
and sometimes watch WHEC and WHAM from Rochester as well.
I miss the area and people in some ways but I sure don't miss the
weather...... You can take the boy out of Buffalo but you can't take
Buffalo out of the boy. i've lived 2/3 of my life in Arizona. In some
ways it is magical here. The sunrises and sunsets are often spectacular!
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Old 28-Aug-2018, 3:47 PM   #97
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A pice sand paper work'S well for that problem!!!
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Old 26-Sep-2018, 10:06 PM   #98
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@ Tower Guy, or anyone: How do you find out if a transmitter is down?

I lost channel 8 (WROC) from Rochester last night. Still completely dead 20 hours later on both TVs, all other channels are fine.

After checking WROC's website, I Googled every search term I could think of but cannot find any current info on them.
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Old 27-Sep-2018, 1:08 PM   #100
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You can call the station and possibly talk to someone in their engineering
department. It is entirely possible they were operating at reduced power
while making some technical adjustments.......
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