antenna/equipment setup help

[dsharp9000]

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e1c62db232ca17

edit: here is more detailed interactive radar map i created with antenna at 40 feet high vs. 30 feet:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e1c6782d486ef7

Hello,

new to the forum and would like to know what i might need for the above location as far as antenna and equipment as well any suggestions relating to installation/pointing.. etc.

most of the channels come from around 330 degrees.. but i would also like to get the channels coming from 8 degrees as they seem within range. There are also some stations lying at 180 degrees... but wonder if they might be to far.

my roof from ground level to top is 35 feet (it has a high pitched roof and is a 2 story house; i could also install the antenna on the chmminey.. which is also 35 feet above ground level ). I also live on top of a ridge with the backside of the ridge sloping down sharply to the south (my house on the back is actually 45 feet above ground level due to the slope.. my house has a walkout basement which increases the height on the back)... i can see over 20 miles on a clear day from the back from the first floor... this is where i wonder about the stations that lye south at 180 degrees.. but they might be to far away based on the map... any way.. like to cut the cable... let me know on above.

thanks in advance

dsharp

[GroundUrMast]

Some of the signals from 8 degrees are going to be difficult given the co-channel and adjacent-channel interference that's present. Still, I would try.

Consider a two antenna system. An Antennas Direct DB8E facing 8°. If the strong locals are not reliably received, try adjusting one of the antenna panels toward the NE... Not all the way necessarily, but in 5 degree steps.

The second antenna would be an Antennacraft Y5713 pointed at 338°.

Use a UHF/VHF combiner such as the Antennas Direct, http://www.antennasdirect.com/store/...Combiners.html to join the two antennas efficiently.

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A Simple Reception Situation.

Above the Peak of the Roof in such a manner that the roof and building do not , obstruct , impede , block , reception in the directions of , North West , North , North East.

Install a , http://www.channelmasterstore.com.

CM4228HD antenna aimed at about 0 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Use a Real and Actual magnetic compass to aim antenna , do not trust a cell phone compass.

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Here are some above the roof antenna mounts.

http://www.ronard.com/909911.html.
Use the , ronard(911) , 5 foot tripod antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html.
Use the , ronard(4560) , eave antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html.
Measure around the chimney and use a , ronard(2212) , ronard(2218) , ronard(2224) .

http://www.ronard.com.

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Home Depot has , 10 foot 6 inch , 1 and 3/8 inch diameter , TOP RAIL , chain link fence , PIPE , makes good antenna mast pipe , low cost about 10 dollars.

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For 1 or 2 Tv's connected a antenna system amplifier will most likely not be required.

For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a 2 way splitter.

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For 3 or 4 Tv's connected , install a http://www.winegarddirect.com.

LNA-100 Boost antenna system amplifier before the input of the splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a 3 way splitter.

For 4 Tv's connected use a 4 way splitter.


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Here are some places to buy the antenna and etc. .

http://www.amazon.com.

http://www.channelmasterstore.com.

http://www.ronard.com.

http://www.winegarddirect.com.

[dsharp9000]

thanks for suggestions:

teleview do you think that the antenna you are suggesting would pick up the stations at 8 degrees .... groundumast suggested i may need two (with one pointed toward 8 degrees)

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The CM4228HD antenna is aimed at about 0 degree magnetic compass direction

This is a in between aim direction for Reception of the Digital Broadcast Tv Stations/Channels to the North West and North North East.

Yes I think the Tv Stations will be received.

[GroundUrMast]

The difference in UHF performance between the CM4228 and DB8E is slight, with the DB8E having just a bit more gain. The CM-4228 has some incidental H-VHF capability, so it's reasonable to give it a try by itself. If you don't get reliable reception of the signals on real CH=-8 & CH-10, the Y5713 can be added later.

[dsharp9000]

thanks teleview and groundumast for your responses.

groundumast,

i was just comparing the two antennas and was wondering what the difference was; the vhf performace might be important for picking up channel 12 which is a channel i definitely want to get as it is major station in the area i live.. the signal should be fairly strong (shows in top 3 as far as power listing at 55.5 db)...its the only channel in the vhf range that i need.

I guess the main thing is would channel 12 be a problem to pick up for either of these antennas?

still have not decide which one to go with; both setups look similar.. thanks for all the help

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The CM4228HD antenna has reception that is beyond

"incidental H-VHF capability"

The CM4228HD antenna is in fact designed to receive the VHF high band channels 7 thru 13 , as a addition to the Current UHF channels 14 thru 51.

http://www.antennahacks.com/Comparis...F_Shootout.htm

[GroundUrMast]

The Y5713 is pretty much a sure thing for receiving WKRC reliably. The incidental gain of the CM-4228 is also going to be quite sufficient. The DB8E by it self is not going to be a 'sure thing', it's H-VHF capability is quite a bit less than the CM-4228, it's a UHF only design.

The DB8E + Y5713 is a premium option that gives you maximum flexibility when fine tuning aim.

[dsharp9000]

thank you both for your responses; im still doing research on this.. i had read after i posted that the cm4228 had the vhf capabilities... been reading so much im getting confused.

I hate to ask another question.. but i keep wondering about those stations at 180 degrees in the opposite direction.. they are weak and many have one edge at least... are these even worth trying to get... like i said before the south side of my house has a clear view where i can see for over 20 miles because i live on a top of a ridge... i dont know.. may not be worth pursuing the stations to the far south... would probably need to add a seperate antenna to get those; but not worth it if there just to far.

[dsharp9000]

ok ive been researching antennas.... more particularly the site that teleview posted (anntenna hacks).. and there is a suggestion within that site i might be better off with combining 2 channel master 4 bays rather buying a channel master 8 bay... i guess the question is .. is there any truth to that or just stick with 8 bay or go with 4 bay as site seems to suggest not much gained with 8 bay...also wonder if i were to combine 2 of the channel master 4 bays... what equipment would i need.

http://www.antennahacks.com/Hacks/NistHarness.htm

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WKON-DT , Real UHF Channel 44 , 224 degree magnetic compass direction will most likely be received through/at the back angle of the CM4228HD antenna.

The other weaker signal strength Tv stations to the south will not.

A Separate antenna aimed south is required to receive the south Tv stations.

No I do not recommend use a antenna rotator.

Antenna rotation Is Not Channel Surfing Friendly must wait for antenna to rotate.

Antenna rotators Are Not Recording Friendly.

Antenna rotation will be the cause of -->Domestic Situations<--about the direction the antenna is aimed.

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All as in All Antennas are a compromise design.

I recommend install the CM4228HD antenna that will provide reliable reception.

Then with the continuing reliable reception of the CM4228HD.

You will be free to experiment with antenna mods.

[Tower Guy]

Originally Posted by dsharp9000

If i were to combine 2 of the channel master 4 bays... what equipment would i need.

These links have all the info that you'll need.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/ganging.html

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/16bay.html