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Old 1-Oct-2012, 10:18 PM   #1
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help identifying these antennas

hi. i'm new to this forum and am an absolute novice when it comes all things over the air...hope someone can help.

i recently bought a house in country and it has these two antenna (pls see attached image), there is ribbon wire running to one, not the other. can anyone help me identify what type of antenna these are? i just want to make sure i can pick up over the air tv with them. i also want to get them set up correctly. i think i should replace the 70s ribbon wire with coax which i can re-route to the basement and then run up the wall to a couple of rooms where i will want a tv.

do i need to hook the coax up to both antennas? what is the best way to do this? is one antenna uhf and the other vhf? thanks in advance!
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Old 1-Oct-2012, 10:26 PM   #2
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Can do Very Little of recommendations for reception with out the tvfool radar plot report.

Use the Exact address to make the tvfool radar plot report.

Make the antenna height 25 feet.

How many Tv's are/will be connected??

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Old 1-Oct-2012, 10:40 PM   #3
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sorry, new to the forum and not totally sure how to make these radar plots. but i guess i'm really just interested in whether anyone can tell me by the image what kind of antennas these are. i don't even own a tv right now and will only buy one if i can use these antenna (not really interested in buying a new antenna at this point in time). i know that local stations are less than 50 miles away and that i should be able to get them....initially would just hook up 1 tv, but would like to be able to have coax jacks in 3 rooms total at some time in future....if these antenna work. thanks in advance.
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Old 2-Oct-2012, 2:20 AM   #6
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The upper antenna in the photo appears to be of an Antennacraft Y10713, designed to receive real channels 7 through 13 (high-VHF). The lower antenna appears to be an FM antenna but may have served as a low-VHF antenna (real channels 2 through 6). Neither antenna appears to be designed to receive UHF signals.

They do not appear to be in bad shape but the interconnection harness is questionable at best. The 'balled up' mass of wire is a likely source of impedance mismatch.

You're correct, a balun, aka matching transformer, would be needed to convert to RG-6 coax.

Without a link to your TV Fool reception prediction, we have no way of knowing whether these antennas would provide reception.

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Old 2-Oct-2012, 5:53 AM   #8
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A Simple reception situation.

For reception of ,

KHNE-DT REAL UHF channel 28 , virtual number (29.1-2-3) PBS.

K56FC REAL UHF channel 50 , virtual number (50.1) Licensed and Silent.

KHAS-DT REAL VHF channel 05 , virtual number (5.1-2) NBC and This Tv.

KGIN-DT REAL VHF channel 11 , virtual number (11.1-2) CBS and MyNetwork.

KHGI-TV REAL VHF channel 13 , virtual number (13.1-2) ABC and FOX.

Above the Roof install a Winegard HD7082P antenna with - no preamp - aimed at about 192 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

For 1 Tv connected use no splitter , no antenna amplifier.

For 2 Tv's connected use a common simple 2 way splitter , no antenna amplifier.

For 3 Tv's connected use a common simple 3 way splitter , no antenna amplifier.

Here are some Strong and Sturdy antenna mounts , http://www.ronard.com/909911.html , http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html , http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html , http://www.ronard.com.

Buy the ronard antenna mounts at solidsignal by typing the word ronard in the solidsignal search box.

Herte are some places to buy antennas and etc. , http://www.solidsignal.com , http://www.amazon.com , http://www.winegarddirect.com.

As always , trees and tree leaves do a real fine job of reducing or blocking Tv reception and so do buildings and other obstructions.

It is best to install the antenna at a location that has the least amount to no amount of obstructions of any type or kind in the directions of reception.

For your location that is , south west , south , south east.

The Tv/s Must Channel Scan for the Digital Broadcast Tv Channels , sometimes named the 'Air Channels' or 'Antenna Channels' in the Tv setup menu because the Tv transmissions travel through the air from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna.

DO NOT channel scan for cable tv channels.
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Old 2-Oct-2012, 6:19 AM   #9
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Yeah those looked like H-VHF/L-VHF antennas. Looks like there are a lot of VHF stations around you luckily!

Since you mentiond that you do not want to buy a new antenna I'd point your L-VHF (lower antenna) right at Channel 5's location (192) and your H-Vhf (upper antenna) around 230 to get 11 and 13.

That's about it unless you add a uhf antenna or a vhf/uhf combo.
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Old 13-Oct-2012, 2:30 AM   #10
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thanks to everybody for their help. i just got a digital tuner for my laptop and hooked it up to the ribbon running into the house and viola, i got the channels. the ribbon was initially hooked up to the lower antenna (got a couple channels, not all). then i ran just a couple random wires from the lower antenna to the upper one and all the channels in my area came in crystal clear - vhf and uhf. strange, eh? don't think i'll even have to adjust the antennas. that said, i think i probably should upgrade the ribbon wire to coax...correct? any ideas on the best way to connect the 2 antennas? should i run coax from one to the other or just keep the simple wire on there now (think it's speaker wire), since it seems to be working.

thanks again for all your help!
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Old 13-Oct-2012, 5:45 AM   #11
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Install a matching transformer on each antenna, http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp...u=615798101084. Then use a short section of RG-6 coax from each antenna to a HLSJ (High Low Signal Joiner), http://www.solidsignal.com/search/sr...earch=1&cart=8.

The top antenna in your photo is the High-VHF, the lower antenna is a Low-VHF. Connect each antenna to the corresponding port of the HLSJ. The tuner is fed from the common port of the HLSJ.
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Old 14-Oct-2012, 2:31 AM   #12
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got it

will do. thanks for the advice. any idea why i'm able to get uhf signal from these vhf antennas? maybe i shouldn't wonder and should just enjoy....
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Old 14-Oct-2012, 4:08 PM   #13
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Antennas are designed to do well in a given range of frequencies. That does not mean that they have also been engineered to block out other frequencies.

So your VHF antennas are good at receiving VHF signals, and may be fair at receiving strong UHF signals.

As an aside, the Antennas Direct Clear Stream 5 was designed as a VHF antenna, but they noticed it does remarkably well with UHF in some applications. The manufacturer has gone so far as documenting it's UHF capability with the disclaimer that the UHF performance is 'out of band performance'. http://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_f...20with_uhf.pdf
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