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Old 5-Jul-2018, 4:08 PM   #1
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Moving to AZ - rambler

Hi, I'm moving from WA to AZ. I tried to setup an antenna in WA but had some big trees blocking LOS and the channels were too far away, so we could not go the antenna route. Now that we're moving to AZ, it looks like the channels are about 25 miles away. The house we are buying is a rambler and we're surrounded by other ramblers. What antenna and placement would you guys recommend based on the tool results. Keep in mind that we have an HOA, so having a huge outdoor antenna is not an option. Thanks!
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Old 5-Jul-2018, 6:38 PM   #2
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Hello there have you ever looked into a RV,outdoor tv antennas like the hi&low,Vhf,uhf,king jack.
It is the size of a large dinner plate with a built-in amp of 32,dbg,
With a single finder ,check it out,and put it into your tv Fool report and see what you
Get!!be for you buy it or enny,antenna for that matter.good luck and be safe and look out for power lines when installing an outdoor tv antenna.
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Old 5-Jul-2018, 6:50 PM   #3
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Consider an ANT751. It receives all the channels that you have in AZ.
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Old 5-Jul-2018, 8:16 PM   #4
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The king Jack will kik IT'S but, all day long tower guy.
KNOW my tower is 150ft hi and I recei ving of 1500miles away
With my stacked side by side antennas Direct,91xg,and my hi band
Vhf,stagger stacked,a long with my low band vhf too tv DX,
And ham Radio Dx is so much fun with an inverted v antenna,CQ CQ CQ DX!!lol.
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Old 6-Jul-2018, 1:20 AM   #5
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Greetings,
I install antennas in the Prescott, AZ and have done so in the Phoenix area as well. A very good option would be the Winegard 7694p since it covers all the frequencies used in Phoenix. It is compact, durable and powerful as well.
The ANT 751 is also a good choice but a bit less powerful.
Be sure to ground your antenna system for lightening
protection and better reception.
Keep the antenna away from trees and power lines!
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Old 6-Jul-2018, 2:15 AM   #6
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And if

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Greetings,
I install antennas in the Prescott, AZ and have done so in the Phoenix area as well. A very good option would be the Winegard 7694p since it covers all the frequencies used in Phoenix. It is compact, durable and powerful as well.
The ANT 751 is also a good choice but a bit less powerful.
Be sure to ground your antenna system for lightening
protection and better reception.
Keep the antenna away from trees and power lines!
And if tightening hit's it no ground and I don't care if you use
1ott to 10 gage the ANTENNA and your tv are dust in the wind
Lol good luck and boycott cable company and dish network Corp
Thanks for going with a Winegrud don't forget about the Winegrud
8200u lol I am in Massachusetts with a tower of 150ft and receive
channels 1500miles away IT'S cool to dx and get ATSC 03 at the
test broadcasting station come's in at night time gone at 9:00AM
along with my ham radio station and the inverted v antenna CQ CQ CQ
DX lol good luck!!
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Old 6-Jul-2018, 2:31 AM   #7
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I am in Massachusetts with a tower of 150ft and receive
channels 1500miles away IT'S cool to dx and get ATSC 03 at the
test broadcasting station come's in at night time gone at 9:00AM
along with my ham radio station and the inverted v antenna CQ CQ CQ
DX lol good luck!!
Very impressive; can you show us a photo of your tower?
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Old 6-Jul-2018, 2:36 AM   #8
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Hi, I'm moving from WA to AZ......The house we are buying is a rambler and we're surrounded by other ramblers...... Keep in mind that we have an HOA, so having a huge outdoor antenna is not an option.
The HOA doesn't have a legal right to stop you. There is a size limitation on dish antennas, but not on TV antennas. Fortunately, you don't need a huge antenna.

https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-r...n-devices-rule

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The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.
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Old 7-Jul-2018, 3:52 AM   #9
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Well it's all confidential and the best ANTENNA set up

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Very impressive; can you show us a photo of your tower?
Sorry Rabbit I wish I could share a picture of it but it's
Confidential information about everything I have put together
But it consists of ANTENNAs you can buy hi vhf,tv antennas
That are staggered stacked with low band vhf,tv antennas stagger stacked
And at the top of the 150ft tower is stacked side by side antennas Direct
91xg,one feed line per stacked antenna sistom,and no insert loss fixted right
Too all boards used RG8u,dbg loss per 100ft is low! And don't forget about
My inverted v antenna for my ham radio station CQ CQ CQ DX tv Fool form
Good luck too everyone who is putting up your outdoor tv antenna good luck and be safe and look out for power lines when installing an outdoor tv antenna.
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Old 7-Jul-2018, 5:35 PM   #10
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Yes Ribbit I did it kind of like that yes he is good what does that mean?
This ANTENNAs owner,all so a ham.he is all so getting low!!vhf.Too
Look at the feed line and how long are they?channel,2?
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Old 7-Jul-2018, 11:39 PM   #11
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Yes ribbit but have too get deeper in to the store some where he does
Say,S. frum the T to the ANTENNA's and look at the hi band vhf,tv,Antennas
Look look at how they were run,and the lengths of them feed line low
Vhf? Channel,2 how long is the ANTENNA radial for Channel 2?3&4?
And if you were too see my settup it would blow you'r mind on the pole on
Right side of my tower is my hi stagger stacked vhf,and on the right side is my
Stagger stacked low band VHF! That is what he is missing on the left side lol.
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 2:52 AM   #12
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And if you were too see my settup it would blow you'r mind
It looks like I will not be able to see your setup because you don't want to show me a picture of it.

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Sorry Rabbit I wish I could share a picture of it but it's
Confidential information about everything I have put together
This is off-topic for the original poster, alavochin.
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 2:22 PM   #13
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Sorry Rabbit I wish I could share a picture of it but it's
Confidential information about everything I have put together
But it consists of ANTENNAs you can buy hi vhf,tv antennas
That are staggered stacked with low band vhf,tv antennas stagger stacked
And at the top of the 150ft tower is stacked side by side antennas Direct
91xg,one feed line per stacked antenna sistom,and no insert loss fixted right
Too all boards used RG8u,dbg loss per 100ft is low! And don't forget about
My inverted v antenna for my ham radio station CQ CQ CQ DX tv Fool form
Good luck too everyone who is putting up your outdoor tv antenna good luck and be safe and look out for power lines when installing an outdoor tv antenna.
Perhaps you are with the CIA or an undercover Chinese or Russian spy!!!!!!
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 4:26 PM   #14
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The HOA doesn't have a legal right to stop you. There is a size limitation on dish antennas, but not on TV antennas. Fortunately, you don't need a huge antenna.

https://www.fcc.gov/media/over-air-r...n-devices-rule
I also have the wife HOA factor, who says no antenna outside and doesn't care about what the FCC says

You guys think I can get away with an antenna mounted in the attic?
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 6:05 PM   #15
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You guys think I can get away with an antenna mounted in the attic?
I do. Your weakest of the main networks is NBC with a noise margin of 55 dB. However, watch out for foil backed insulation that could block the signal.

Does your new house have a hip roof or gable ends? If gable ends, which way do they face? If gable ends, is the insulation foil backed on the roof but not the wall? If you have foil backed insulation on both gable walls and roof decking can you remove the foil for several feet in front of the best location for your antenna?

Aiming through gable ends is preferred here in the Northeast where snow can accumulate on the roof. I don’t have experience with Arizona roofs.
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 6:29 PM   #16
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No spy

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Perhaps you are with the CIA or an undercover Chinese or Russian spy!!!!!!
True USA and the cost of my toys?
Or should I say hobby and the man
With the most toys before you die wins
CQ CQ CQ DX cents the 1950 till
Know fcc still playing with the MH Z
ATSC,LG,is ATSC,certified 100%
And backed by the Fcc,for
Quite some time now!!!
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 8:05 PM   #17
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I also have the wife HOA factor, who says no antenna outside and doesn't care about what the FCC says

You guys think I can get away with an antenna mounted in the attic?
Ah, yes; we have encountered that before. We call it the WAF (Wife Acceptance/Approval Factor). It's a result of the nesting instinct for the survival of the human race. The home is the "nest," so she gets to say what is right for the home, even in the "Man Cave."

The physical laws say the antenna must be located where the signals exist; the wife says the antenna must be located where it looks "nice."

"The King lives in the Castle at the discretion of the Queen."

I'm lucky. I have a wife who not only tolerates my antenna experiments, but encourages them because she wanted a battery operated TV for use during power failures. She even gave me a signal level meter as a present to measure TV signals.

Fortunately, your signals are quite strong and in the same direction, so I agree with Tower Guy; an attic antenna has a good chance of working if there are no metal object in front of it.

These are your signals:



My signals are very similar:



I am able to receive all major networks with an indoor antenna on the ground floor with trees and buildings in the signal path.

I am using this antenna:



I lent it to a friend, but she wasn't able to get any signals during a channel scan with the antenna indoors because her house has aluminum siding.

I also tested a more sturdy version suitable for outdoors with similar results:



Both require assembly.

When I was through testing the GE 29884, my wife said: "Don't put it away, I like the curve of the reflector."



My antenna is in the corner of the bedroom, which is the second-best location; the best location was, of course, in the middle of the room in a high traffic area. There is usually a chair in front of it to hide the orange Home Depot paint bucket, which is filled with old magazines as weights. The bucket is sitting on a 3/4" plywood base that has leveling-screw feet to make the mast vertical because the concrete slab under the carpet isn't level.



I also suggest you try the RCA ANT751 in the attic at several different locations. Wear gloves when unfolding the elements; some are sharp and covered with oil. If the signals are too weak, add the RCA TVPRAMP1R preamp, which is what I use with my indoor antenna, but my strongest signals are OK without it. Buy the preamp from Walmart, not Amazon; Amazon sometimes sends out Warehouse Specials that are returns that have a DOA power supply because they haven't been checked out.

If the RCA ANT751 doesn't have enough gain for the attic location, upgrade to the Winegard HD7694P antenna.
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 10:43 PM   #18
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Wifey said that the signals

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Ah, yes; we have encountered that before. We call it the WAF (Wife Acceptance/Approval Factor). It's a result of the nesting instinct for the survival of the human race. The home is the "nest," so she gets to say what is right for the home, even in the "Man Cave."

The physical laws say the antenna must be located where the signals exist; the wife says the antenna must be located where it looks "nice."

"The King lives in the Castle at the discretion of the Queen."

I'm lucky. I have a wife who not only tolerates my antenna experiments, but encourages them because she wanted a battery operated TV for use during power failures. She even gave me a signal level meter as a present to measure TV signals.

Fortunately, your signals are quite strong and in the same direction, so I agree with Tower Guy; an attic antenna has a good chance of working if there are no metal object in front of it.

These are your signals:



My signals are very similar:



I am able to receive all major networks with an indoor antenna on the ground floor with trees and buildings in the signal path.

I am using this antenna:



I lent it to a friend, but she wasn't able to get any signals during a channel scan with the antenna indoors because her house has aluminum siding.

I also tested a more sturdy version suitable for outdoors with similar results:



Both require assembly.

When I was through testing the GE 29884, my wife said: "Don't put it away, I like the curve of the reflector."



My antenna is in the corner of the bedroom, which is the second-best location; the best location was, of course, in the middle of the room in a high traffic area. There is usually a chair in front of it to hide the orange Home Depot paint bucket, which is filled with old magazines as weights.



I also suggest you try the RCA ANT751 in the attic at several different locations. Wear gloves when unfolding the elements; some are sharp and covered with oil. If the signals are too weak, add the RCA TVPRAMP1R preamp, which is what I use with my indoor antenna, but my strongest signals are OK without it. Buy the preamp from Walmart, not Amazon; Amazon sometimes sends out Warehouse Specials that are returns that have a DOA power supply because they haven't been checked out.

If the RCA ANT751 doesn't have enough gain for the attic location, upgrade to the Winegard HD7694P antenna.
SIGNAL. Won't go through roof wood or building materials
Wifey said you should probably put it on the outside of the house on
The gable end should work well lol and camuflosh the ANTENNA!!lol
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 10:48 PM   #19
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King Jack is a better looking antenna than that one and will kik it's but.
Lol and you don't have to worry about WHERE to point it wifey said
And when bad weather conditions come you will lose your receive
Stop playing games and do it right the first time before football is
On the tv air waves,good luck have a good day!!
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Old 8-Jul-2018, 11:21 PM   #20
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There are areas in East Mesa near Falcon Field that TV Fool indicates
are line of sight that are not. In fact, I've gotten better signals
from Tucson than some of the Phoenix stations in Ftn Hills and East
Mesa. I doubt the signals in your area are as strong as your report
suggests. An attic antenna with a tile roof is always a disaster. Even
asphalt roofs degrade the signal enough to create problems. Perhaps
your wife would like to view the tv using an attic antenna and you
can watch the tv using an outdoor antenna.
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