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Old 13-Jul-2012, 11:08 PM   #21
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The 7082 all channel antenna is needed because you have all bands available. This antenna is very dirrectional so you need rotor if you want to receive multipul directions.
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Old 13-Jul-2012, 11:54 PM   #22
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Thanks....What is the difference between the 7082 and the 84? Is it just that the 84 is a stronger antenna?
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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:21 AM   #23
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Larger, Longer, more elements and more gain on the VHF.
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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:24 AM   #24
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Worth the extra cost in my area, or will the 7082 get everything available? How does the channel master compare with the aspen rotators? What would you recommend for a good rotator for this antenna?
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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:35 AM   #25
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DTV/cell phone reception advise and products

If you can use the longer antenna, I would stay with the Channel Master 9215.

I use the Eagel with smaller antennas, but for that Winegard the Channel Master.

Stronger built, less back lash, more servicable. parts more available, very accurate.
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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:37 AM   #26
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->ALL<- Questions and Answers about Broadcast Tv Reception and More.

I listed All the receivable Tv stations and channels.

With the HD7082P antenna installed and used to receive the Tv stations/channels and programing.

There is one programing channel that will possibly not be received and that one is , The Live Well Network.

Notice the words -> possibly not received <- .

If after installing and using the HD7082P antenna , the Live Well Network is not received and you will like to receive it , then install a rotor.

As to the C5 and DB4e , the C5 comes with a combiner that combines the C5 and DB4e on to one coax , no A/B switch required.

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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:43 AM   #27
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It is all your choice , You do what ever You think is the best.

To reduce confusion to a minimum. Here is the information.

Your location has receivable Tv stations/channels in ALL 3 Tv bands.

VHF low band channels 2 thru 6 , VHF high band channels 7 thru 13 and UHF band channels 14 thru 51.

I recommend install a Winegard HD7082P , ALL band , ALL channel antenna aimed at about 240 degree magnetic compass.
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I listed All the receivable Tv stations and channels.

With the HD7082P antenna installed and used to receive the Tv stations/channels and programing.

There is one programing channel that will possibly not be received and that one is , The Live Well Network.

Notice the words -> possibly not received <- .

If after installing and using the HD7082P antenna , the Live Well Network is not received and you will like to receive it , then install a rotor.

As to the C5 and DB4e , the C5 comes with a combiner that combines the C5 and DB4e on to one coax , no A/B switch required.

I will not provide any more information.

These opinions can go on for ever and ever.
Wow, I appologize if I've upset you for some reason. I'm only trying to make a quality decision. To do this, I wanted to tap into a source with a lot of knowledge, namely, TV Fool. I do ask a lot of questions, but only because I want to be sure. I'm sorry for the inconvenience I cause you. If you look through the thread, I would hope you can see why there is some confusion.....you say I don't need a rotator with the 7082 pointed at 240*, while Signals Unlimited is suggesting to get a rotator. Gosh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, and appologize for that, I'm only trying to figure this out.

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Old 14-Jul-2012, 12:50 AM   #28
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->ALL<- Questions and Answers about Broadcast Tv Reception and More.

I am not upset in any way shape or form. I am stating facts. The opinions can go on for ever and ever.
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Old 14-Jul-2012, 1:54 AM   #29
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I'm sorry, but if I may ask,.....due to your input, I am probably going to return the antennas that I purchased, and buy the winegard you suggested, but I'm curious about it and how it picks up signal. since I would be pointing it 240* or so (Southwest), does it pick up signal in both directions, or will the three stations to the East, 8, 51, and 10 be out unless I turn it? Thanks, and I hope I'm not a bother.

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Old 18-Jul-2012, 1:41 AM   #30
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I've taken the time to closely examine each real channel on your report from the top down to the entry for KTVG, real CH-19.

If mounted outdoors, clear of obstructions such as buildings and trees, the HD7082P aimed at about 250 compass has enough gain to receive all the stations mentioned. (The beginning aim point is the point to start from... fine tune the aim from there, looking for reliable reception of the most stations... rather than signal meter readings of an individual channel.)

The worst case is KOLN real CH-10. with the antenna aimed away from that station, it has significantly lower gain than if aimed at the station. Still, the signal from KOLN is strong enough to be received through the back side of the antenna. I estimate the net noise margin will be between 10 and 15 dB at the TV if you use a good low noise preamp such as the Antennas Direct CPA19. (My goal when designing for 'reliable reception' is to achieve a net NM at the TV in excess of 10 dB, 15 dB if possible... higher is better. The idea is to provide a 'fade margin'.) In my calculations, I provided for future connection of several more TVs.

The slightly larger HD7084P on a rotator would also work. My personal criticism of rotators is here: http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=2882 along with some alternate ideas. With only one TV connected, a rotator may be a preferred solution, you can add one later if you find you need the option.

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Old 18-Jul-2012, 1:48 AM   #31
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On a more general point, all TV antennas will receive some amount of signal from all directions. Some are very directional, meaning they receive quite well from one direction and far less in most other directions. Some antennas are designed to have nearly equal gain in all directions, which almost always means that they will not have much gain in any one direction. It's always a trade off.

The Antennas Direct, Winegard, Antennacraft & Channel Master product are documented fairly well, making it possible to sit down, do some math and estimating that results in a well educated estimate of what you can expect from the installed product.

Here are the engineering data sheets for the DB4e, C5 & HD7082P:

http://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_f...y/DB4E-TDS.pdf
http://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_f...20with_uhf.pdf
http://www.winegarddirect.com/pdf/spec_HD7082P.pdf

Here are examples of how to relate the antenna performance and TV Fool report numbers: http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=109

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Old 18-Jul-2012, 1:50 AM   #32
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Question Antenna install and power lines

Getting ready to install a Clearstream C5 antenna that will point to the east of my house. My plan is to put it on my garage, however, if I have it up in the air 20-30 feet, it will point straight into the powerlines that run down my alley. I would guess the power lines would be 20 feet away. How bad will this mess with my reception? Will this even be a problem?
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Old 18-Jul-2012, 2:02 AM   #33
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Some, not all, power lines are problematic noise sources for real channels 2 through 6 in particular. Channels 7 through 13 are going to be affected less. The UHF channels will be impacted the least. If that location is the only choice you have... give it a try. If you have alternatives, great.

On a safety note: Stay far enough away from power lines so that if the antenna and mast fell they could not come in contact with the power lines.
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Old 18-Jul-2012, 2:03 AM   #34
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Wow, thanks for the input. I greatly appreciate your time that you put into your advice. Thank you! For the time being, I'm going to put up the c5 and db4e and try them. If I can't get the results I'm hoping for, I'll return them and get the winegard you are suggesting. Antenna's Direct said that they can be returned within 30 days. I am going to look over these materials you provided though. Thank you!.....Hmmmm, athough, If I dont' have to buy a rotator for it, this would be a lot cheaper than the c5 and db4e.......Might have to give it some good thought.
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Old 18-Jul-2012, 2:08 AM   #35
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Let us know how it goes. The C5 has limited gain on real CH-5. We'll be curious how you do... especially with the possible noise from the power lines.
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Old 18-Jul-2012, 2:13 AM   #36
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unfortionatly, I'm going into trees in both directions. Channel 10 and channel 11 are actually the same channel. CBS Channel 10/11, so it wouldnt' be a big deal if I can't pick up 10 if I can get it on channel 11.
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Old 18-Jul-2012, 2:19 AM   #37
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Aim the C5 at 245 degree and the DB4e at 250 degree.
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Old 19-Jul-2012, 6:28 PM   #38
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No UHF at all. I tried hooking the two together with the diplexer, tried hooking only one antenna up at a time. With the c5, I can get 9 channels. With the DB4e, I can get 7. No UHF though....namely, no FOX. I am using a RCA DTA800B1 for my tuner. Any suggestions?
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Old 19-Jul-2012, 7:04 PM   #39
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Do you have a preamp connected? If so, what make/model?

What's the total length of coax from the antenna to the tuner?

Can you describe the layout from the antenna to the tuner?
(Ex. Antenna, 2 feet of RG-6, UVSJ combiner, 10 feet of RG-6, splice, 50 feet of RG-6, 8-way splitter, 15 feet of RG-6, tuner)
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Old 19-Jul-2012, 8:13 PM   #40
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The C5 at about 245 degree magnetic compass.

The DB4e at 250 degree magnetic compass.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

The C5 and DB4e connected to gather with the combiner.

At this time connect only 1 tuner/tv.

No splitters.

Rescan for channels.

KHNE PBS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebrask...communications.


Looks like KTVG is off the air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSNB-TV.


Tvfool is not 100% up to date.

It can take some digging to get closer to the latest information.

I have a question , how is the reception of , KHAS-DT channel 5 with the C5 antenna.

Any pixalation , picture drop outs , ??

If your tuner has a signal strength meter what does that show??

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