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Old 2-Apr-2013, 8:13 PM   #1
nrohrer
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Two Installations

I need help selecting antennas/amps for two seperate installations.

1) At home: My goal is to get all of the major networks (ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX,PBS). Three or four TVs. WPVI-DT would be a nice bonus. An attic installation is preferred.
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2) A relative's cabin (much more difficult): My goal would be to get ANY stations. One TV. Before the digital conversion they were able to get two or three somewhat fuzzy stations using an old outdoor tower mounted antenna (around 20 ft), now nothing.
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Old 3-Apr-2013, 8:24 PM   #2
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The Manheim , Pa. , Local reception is easy.

Above the Peak Of The Roof in such a manner that reception is not blocked by the roof and house in the directions of , north west , west , south west , south , east .

Install a ANT751 antenna aimed at about 275 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

The ANT751 antenna comes with a , J type antenna mount.
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No antenna system amplifier is required.
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For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a simple common 2 way splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a simple common 3 way splitter.

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As always , trees and tree leaves , plants and plant leaves , do a good job of , absorbing , multi-path/reflecting , blocking , Digital Broadcast Tv reception and so do buildings and other obstructions including your own roof and house.

It is best to install the ANT751 antenna at a location that has the least amount to no amount of obstructions of any type or kind in the directions of reception including your own roof and house.

The Tv/s Must Channel Scan for the Digital Broadcast Tv Channels , often named the 'Air Channels' or 'Antenna Channels' in the Tv Setup Menu because the Tv transmissions travel through the Air from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna.

Some Digital Tv's will Automatic channel scan for cable tv channels.

DO NOT channel scan for cable tv channels.

Go into the Tv Setup Menu and select , 'Air Channels / 'Antenna Channels'.

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WPVI-DT Real Digital VHF Low Band Channel 6 CBS , is Weak Signal Strength and 60.5 miles distant with 1 edge path obstruction=hill/mountain.

Reliable Reception may not happen.

The Only Way To Test for Reliable Reception is , install a antenna.

Install a Winegard HD7084P antenna with a Winegard HDP-269 preamp.

The HD7084P antenna receives All 3 Tv bands.

VHF Low band channels 2 thru 6.

VHF High band channels 7 thru 13.

UHF band channels 14 thru 51.

The reason for the All band HD7084P antenna is , If reaching out for WPVI channel 6 CBS , then also reach out for the VHF high band and UHF Digital Tv stations to the , east , south east , the same direction as WPVI.

Aim the HD7084P antenna at about , 110 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a , HFS-2D , 2 way splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a , HFS-3D , 3 way splitter.

Buy the HFS splitters at , http://www.solidsignal.com , or , http://www.hollandelectronics.com.
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Here are some strong and sturdy antenna mounts for the HD7084P antenna.

http://www.ronard.com/909911.html , use the 5 or 7 foot tripod antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html , use the #4560 eave antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html.

http://www.ronard.com.

Buy the ronard antenna mounts at solidsignal buy typing the word ronard in the solidsignal search box or buy from ronard.

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Here are some places to buy antennas and etc. .

http://www.solidsignal.com.

http://www.amazon.com.

http://www.winegarddirect.com.

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The HD7084P antenna system and ANT751 antenna system , Are Separate Antenna Systems and Are NOT connected on to one coax.

The 2 Antenna Systems Are SEPARATE All the Way to the locations of the Tv's.

At the locations of the Tv's , a , Remote control A/B antenna switch will be connected to the Separate antenna system coaxes at each Tv location.http://www.mcmelectronics.com , #32-4425.

Remote control A/B antenna switching is Channel Surfing Friendly , Press the button on the hand held remote control , change antennas and keep on channel surfing.

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I will make recommendation for the Cabin Reception in another post so as to make the information easier to keep straight and understand.

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Old 4-Apr-2013, 7:11 AM   #3
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The Cabin reception location.

The Tv reception signal strengths are Very Weak.

Looks like 2 Digital Tv stations channels will be received.

WBRE-DT Real VHF Digital channel 11 , virtual number (28.1) NBC.

WYOU-DT Real VHF Digital Channel 13 , virtual number (22.1) CBS.

Install a Winegard YA1713 , channels 7 thru 13 , antenna aimed at about 121 degree magnetic compass direction.

Here is how to aim antennas , http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

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As often happens with Tv reception in hill and mountain areas , the Tv signals 'Bend' a little downward as the the Tv signals travel across the hills and mountains.

The Tv signal strength - improves - a little , lower to the ground.

Even as low as 1 foot above the ground.

The effect is not evenly distributed and varies with height and location.

Try lowering and raising the YA1713 antenna up and down and change location.

Probing for best reception.

The Tv reception is Very Weak signal strength.
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All electric and electronic circuits such as antenna amplifiers and all other electric and electronic circuits generate noise.

Noise adds a masking effect over the desired signal.

Install a ULTRA Low Noise Booster Amplifier.

A Kitztech , KT-200-COAX TV Antenna Booster Remote Power-Coax Fed. Amplifier.

The remote power coax fed amplifier provides the flexibility to install the booster unit , outside or inside.

http://www.kitztech.com.

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WQMY REAL UHF Digital Channel 29 , virtual number (53.1-2-3) MyNetwork and digital sub channels , FOX and CW.

Might be received.

As a Test of reception , disconnect the YA1713 from the Kitztech amplifier and connect a Channel Master CM4228HD UHF antenna aimed at about 262 degree magnetic compass direction.

The same antenna height and location situation applies.

If reliable reception happens for WQMY , then connect the CM4228HD antenna and the YA1713 antennas together with a UHF/VHF combiner.

A Antennas Direct , EU385CF-1s , combiner.

Connect the CM4228HD antenna to the UHF connection of the combiner.

Connect the YA1713 antenna to the VHF connection of the combiner.

And the remaining connection of the combiner connects to the Kitztech amplifier.

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For outdoor coax and connections that are exposed to weather/water.

Use the coax that has the , Compression type connectors , not the Old crimp type connectors on the ends of the coax.

And to make double sure that water does not get into coax and connections , wrap with Coaxseal , http://www.coaxseal.com.

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Here are places to buy antennas and etc. .

http://www.solidsignal.com.

http://www.amazon.com.

http://www.winegarddirect.com.

http://www.channelmasterstore.com.

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As always , trees and tree leaves , plants and plant leaves , do a good job of , absorbing , multi-path reflecting , blocking , Digital Broadcast Tv Reception and so buildings and other obstructions including your own roof and house.

It is best to install the Antenna/s at a location that has the least amount to no amount of obstructions of any type or kind in the directions of reception including your own roof and house.

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The Tv's Must Channel Scan for the Digital Broadcast Tv stations/channels , often named the 'Air Channels' or 'Antenna Channels' in the Tv Setup Menu because the Tv transmissions travel through the Air from the transmitting antenna to the receiving antenna.

Some Digital Tv's will Automatic channel scan for cable tv channels.

DO NOT channel scan for cable tv channels.

Go into the TV Setup Menu and select , 'Air Channels' / 'Antenna Channels'.

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Here is a way to receive All of the PBS channels/services and other channels/services - for free.

FTA = Free to Air , -->Small Dish<-- Satellite Tv Reception.

The channels are 100% Free to receive.

No descrambler.

And Yes it is 100% Legal.

Here is a good place to start , http://www.ftalist.com.

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