Fairfield Country CT
Now that the Super Bowl is over and warmer weather is coming, I plan to cut the cord.:)
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...5134ab571364ea My primary goal is to get stations from NYC CBS 2,NBC 4,FOX 5,ABC 7,WWOR 9, WPIX11, WNET13 An added bonus would be to get WLIW 21 from Long Island, and from Connecticut WEDW 49, WTNH 8. A recommendation for antenna's would be appreciated. Thanks! |
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At 245 degrees from my roof apex, I just have tree tops about 100 ft away, no land or buildings. My estimate of 30 ft off the ground is based on a roof mount. My roof peak is 27ft off the ground, I could probably get to 35-37ft. |
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For the UHF station you'll want a high gain antenna such as the Antennas Direct DB8e and aim it at 245 magnetic. This will get you the UHF stations you want and more I'm sure. It might also pick up WLIW but you "may" have to aim the antenna a bit towards 206 degrees without losing your main channels at 245. WEDW will possibly be picked up by the back side of the antenna but I would concentrate on one PBS channel. Whichever work best based on your main direction of 245. Who knows.... you may get both. =) You can get it from Antennas Direct directly or also at Amazon for 20 bucks less... DB8e Amazon link For your (HI)VHF channels WTNH and WABC should be had using the VHF Retrofit kit from Antennas Direct mounted above the DB8e and pointed at the same 245 degrees. 2 other channels I think is a high possibility is WNET(another PBS) and WPIX (CW) You can get the retrofit kit the same way. Here is the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direc...f+retrofit+kit I would recommend the Antennas Direct Juice amp. I don't have any experience with any other amp but I know there are others that could work for you also which are a bit cheaper. But I love that the Juice includes an LTE filter and is very resistant to overload. Can you also provide an FMfool report for you location? You'll have to snapshot it and attach it for us to view. Also a 37ft tvfool report would be good to see what that extra footage would do for you. I would think you would want to be at least 3 feet above your roof for snow clearance for the antenna and have the room to mount the VHF kit above it. Don't forget to ground you antenna mast with a separate ground wire and also ground your RG6 shielding with a ground block just prior to it entering the house. I hope this helps and I'm no expert. I'm just using what I've experienced recently cutting the cord and getting my setup installed. The experts may chime in here also. Remember every situation is different and does require some trial and error. Definitely try to aim everything without using the preamp first and no splitters. Add the preamp after and then fine tune again. I recommend this because it helped me with the multipath issues I had. GOOD LUCK and let us know how your progress goes! |
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Thanks, appreciate the advice.:)
I have attached the FM Report. |
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I am trying understand the VHF retrofit kit. So when I see WCBS which I know as channel 2; in fact is a UHF frequency at either 22 or 33? And, there are two because there are 2 different transmitters for the same station, one in NYC and one on Long Island?
The VHF retrofit seems like a real small piece of gear, sorry to sound silly, but should it pull NYC stations from 45 miles away like WABC, WNET, or WPIX? On another note if it did not pick them up, I could receive ABC programming from WNTH and PBS from WLIW (Long Island) and/or WEDW from Bridgeport? Is this why a long range UHF antenna like the DB8e would be better in my situation than a VHF/UHF combo like the Winegard HD 7698? One last question, thoughts about the DB4e as I believe it has wider beam width - 60 degrees? Would it give a better a shot at getting both the stations from NYC and Long Island? Thanks for the input. |
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MCM Part #30-2475 and MCM Part #30-2476 One last option is the Clearstream 5 which has the gain in between the Stellar Labs antennas and the Dipoles but it is the most expensive. Clearstream 5 They definately have more gain but you only have 3 VHF(hi) stations and CW is the only one that you can't get on UHF. WABC (ABC) which is close WPIX (CW) and WNET (PBS) .... those are out there and I'm sure you would have the best shot with the larger antennas. I pickup two channels that are about the same distance as yours but a weaker signal with 10 less NM(db)s. Again.... this is something that can always be returned if it doesn't work. Its the unfortunately thing about this. What works for one doesn't always work for the other. Quote:
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Thanks Shoman94, this is a lot of useful information. I appreciate the time and effort in your response. I have found so many postings on this forum that were really useful.
One clarification, when I referred to the Long Island stations, specifically I was thinking of WLIW 21 which is at 206 degrees(magnetic) which I am seeing as a delta of 39 degrees from the NYC stations at 245 degrees. Is the thinking that I would aim at 245 or would I cheat toward 240 or 235? I am not asking for an absolute, understanding every installation is different, just looking for the approach and logic. This was the basis of my question about the Db4e. Lastly, is the below FM trap recommended? Does this get installed before the pre-amp (e.g. Juice) or after? https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...on_filter.html |
For giggles I reran the TV signal Analysis at 35 ft(below) and 40 ft; from my perspective they are marginally different. But when I ran it at 50ft (below) it changed quite a bit.
35 FT http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...51344226589ada 50 FT http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...5134fd2f4301ef Bottom line, if I try an antenna (e.g. DB8e or DB4e) and do not like the results, one solution is UP!! Although at 50 ft it will not be ME installing it. |
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That is one of the trails. There are a few and they all attenuate a little differently so it would depend on the gradient of the station. I'm currently on my phone so I don't have the time to search around the threads for it now. If you don't have any luck I should be able to tomorrow sometime. I have 2 FM filters on my setup and I still think it's an issue so tonight I just ordered an FM splitter which will remove all frequencies below channel 7 and not just attenuate the signals. |
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Looking at those numbers.... I believe you could easily use the DB4e and the dipole's....
So if you are 27' to the peak.... Use a 10' or 12' pipe (galvanized) for your mast. I'd say 1.25" to 1.5" OD. Mount the dipole at the top and mount the db4e 3 feet below the dipole. It will look similar to my attached photo of my setup. Getting those 2 antennas should save you some money too. Also, yes the fm trap or splitter would get installed between the antenna and the preamp. |
The photo is really helpful. The pole looks to be about 12'? Is the eave mount the Winegard sw-0012? Thx.
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It doesn't come with the small section of pole as shown in amazon's photo. You can see I have a C4v antenna but I ordered the DB4e last night. Its funny how my strongest station is still giving me some multipath issues when its windy. I ordered a FM splitter (FM Splitter link) also because it's also possible that its related to the 2 FM stations 3 miles from me. I'm thinking the 2 FM filters are not strong enough. |
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Here are some threads in which I've offered my opinion: http://forum.tvfool.com/search.php?searchid=853480 |
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