Also, yes, it's WKBS.
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https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....7&d=1573067494 This is a report from rabbitears.info which should have a more accurate list of channels: https://www.rabbitears.info/searchma...study_id=25786 You can do your own report here; I used coordinates for the one I did: https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php This is an extract from your rabbitears.info report: https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....8&d=1573068929 I guess I don't need to tell you that your location is not idea for OTA reception. Quote:
https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?...ms&facid=73120 The strongest one listed on your report is on channel 22, but it is only running 7.5 kW ERP. WJAC on RF35 is further down on the list and over 50 miles away. It is running 1000 kW. Both signals are blocked by terrain. Click on the transmitter distance in the report for each channel to see the terrain profile. https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....9&d=1573076090 https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....0&d=1573076116 A lot of hills in the signal path that block the direct signal. |
I had wondered about an FM antenna. Which sucks, because I gave one away about a year and a half ago. And I really like the idea of using the extensions on a smaller antenna, but, most likely I'm going to try the dipole outside over the weekend first. I have a pair of rabbit ears that I measured out to 2.75 feet on each side and took it to the attic late last night. When I scanned channels 2-13, it stops for about 20 seconds about halfway through. So, I'm guessing it's trying to lock onto something but there just isn't quite enough there. I know, it's in the attic. There is a spot outside on my property that I used to be able to get it before but it's at ground level. Also, I remembered I had collected and kept some elements off of an old full range antenna someone was throwing out so I will probably try and build a yagi (my first one) using those. Also, all the pics REALLY help! Thank you again.
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I did this 4 element design for channel 6 using EZ-NEC:
3/8" diameter elements. Reflector length 71.6" Driven length 72.4" Director #1 61.2" Director #2 57" spacing Ref-Driven 22.8" Driven-D1 3.1" D1-D2 20.1" The feed is direct using 75 ohm coax; no balun. If you want to play download this: https://www.eznec.com/demoinfo.htm |
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My RabbitFool report, err, Rabbitears report:
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Thank you Tower Guy for the dimensions on the Yagi. One question on it is though, what is the spacing on the feedpoint for the driven element? Though I've tried to teach myself how to use them in the past, I've never been good with NEC programs and rely heavily on people posting dimensions (or pictures with dimensions).
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The driven element is fed in the center.
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Well, I tried a pair of rabbit ears measured out for RF 6 with no luck. The small TV I carried up onto my shed roof again tries to lock on to something, but can't quite get it. Without the rabbit ears, my channel scan zooms right through with no stalls. For kicks I hooked up one of those RCA preamps just to try it and still nothing. I wimped out and ordered a FM yagi because it will get here before I get a chance to build anything. My wife is gonna kill me when she finds I bought yet another antenna as I ran into what I thought was a sweet deal at Ollie's (good stuff cheap!) on some Antennas Direct DB8 antennas for 50$ a piece. So I bought 3 of them to play with and use for future installs. Guess I should get used to sleeping on the couch.
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Success! Well, sort of. My FM antenna was delivered today so even though it was pretty cold here, I had to go out and play with it. Something is up with my rooftop antenna setup, so I installed a temporary setup behind my shed where I can just snag my local stations around the neighbor's house. It's not ideal, but it'll get me through the winter. I had to get it up about 15' to 20' up, but the FM antenna will lock onto RF 6, though HEAVILY pixelated and pretty much unwatchable. BUT it's a step forward. I ran it through the RCA PRAMP1R on the VHF input. I want to try just using a straight cord to the TV in the next couple of days and see how that works. Would've done it today, but I lost daylight too quickly. I should also mention that this is being sent to 4 different TV's. Anyways, I bought this antenna:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
I don't know of any Low-VHF only antennas, although I understand that the larger ones (usually made by Channel Master, R.C.A., and Winegard) have long dipoles near their ends that are designed to receive low-VHF channels. Rabbit ears still seem to be readily available, although I assume indoor reception would be a problem regarding the effects of impulse noise on the low-VHF signals since they would already be weakened by the exterior walls.
I'm also not sure if there are any ways to improve gain. I don't imagine that the corner reflectors seen on U.H.F. antennas would be practical as they would be rather large and cumbersome, so I would assume the only way to improve gain for the low-VHF channels would be to add more parasitic elements/directors. I hope this helps. |
So, I've decided to start gathering materials needed for a 5 element Yagi found on the Yagi calculator page that GroundUrMast posted earlier. I decided to go with the folded dipole calculator as well. All to the tune of 86 MHz. Now this causes me to ask a question or two. The main question is, how important is it that I stick to the rod diameter for the folded dipole? It's calling for a diameter just a hair under 1/2" and I was wondering if 3/8 would work just as well? I ask because benders can get a little pricey. Also, I've seen folded dipoles now with both a curve on the end and squared ends. So my next question is, could I just keep the same distances (with the exception of the curves) and simply use 90 degree elbows and square it off? Or, in my ignorance, am I missing something here? Thank you in advance for any wisdom you all can bestow upon me.
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As far as the folded dipole driven element, from a practical perspective I suspect that either curved ends or squared ends will work fine as long as you keep the relative dimensions the same. Another thought to keep in mind is that an antenna is usually more broad banded when it is constructed of larger diameter elements. There are many, many variables in yagi antenna design. Someone with antenna modeling software could probably give you some more specific answers than my general ramblings and observations. |
I agree with Tim on the general answers and that precise answers would require antenna modeling.
Channel 6 is 82 to 88 MHz, so center freq would be 85 MHz. |
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