New TV need another tuner
Hi All,
I just bought a Vizio 70" 4K TV and it has no RF inputs. It has several HDMI inputs, 1 Component video, 2 USBs 1 Ethernet and that's it. I have been researching a little but my brain is hurting from too much info. So, I ask the group. What is a good two RF input tuner? Why? I have two signals from two directions that I have not been able to combine without hurting one signal or the other so I have to have two OTA inputs. So I am looking for suggestions for a tuner that can handle 2 signals. Is it available? Thanks, Bob |
You didn't buy a "TV set", you bought a video display AKA a monitor. It can not classified as a TV set unless it includes a tuner.
There are no tuners left on the market that have two separate antenna inputs AFAIK. If you have that requirement and combining hasn't worked, get two tuners, one for each direction, and hook them up to separate HDMI ports on your monitor. External tuners start at less than $35 and go up from there. Many of them, even the entry level ones, offer the option of DVR capability with an added USB hard drive. However, many of those units also feature remotes that are "minimalist", at best, have a clunky user interface, and seem to have buggy software. I haven't experimented much with any of them, so I can't advise you as far as specifics, but I can give those general impressions. Perhaps someone who does have experience with the currently available set-top tuners can provide some specifics. |
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AD Tech, do you recommend removing the reflectors from a 91XG? Or is it just the bay antennas that works on? I ask because, it would be a monumental task to get up high enough safely to do such a thing :) Quote:
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That's why I came here! Thanks, Bob |
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Have you considered an A/B switch?
I see the Rat Shack 15-1968 remote controlled units on eBay from time to time. I have one and it works well. You would however, still need a tuner and it will need the ability to ADD channels, VS a full re-scan. |
A/B switch
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Hey Stereocraig, I had an Radio Shack A/B switch, it must have burned out, it quit working with the remote and manually. I don't want to buy a used one, for now. I really want a tuner box with a good signal meter with a signal strength and signal quality. I have resigned myself to the fact that my Chicago-Milwaukee combining efforts have been unsuccessful and need to split the signal for optimum reception. I get most channels, but some weaker stations do drop out. Since my Vizio is not a TV and has no tuner, I want to try to use a tuner with 2 RF inputs, but I see the only one that did was the HD Homerun which isn't made any more, so what I wanted to find one remanufactured or some new old stock. Or... any tuner box with 2 RF inputs of very good quality. I guess that's a pipe dream. What sucks, is my old Toshiba projection TV has 2 RF inputs! I still have it though. If I went back to that.... Thanks, Bob |
The 3-4 two tuner box
I found this from back in 2012 in this forum:
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If you're going to consider two separate tuners, go back to my initial recommendation (post #2) and use separate HDMI ports. If you do still need to go to two tuner's you're also going to need to figure out how to control them separately since most of the cheap ones use IR remotes and, if both boxes are placed so that their IR sensors can see the same area, either remote will control both boxes simultaneously. The option that Tom gave in the thread you found was for adding a single external box to a TV set with an internal tuner and presumed that the remotes would not conflict. I realize I haven't provided a solution in all this thread, I'm just trying to make you aware of the complications you'll need to avoid. |
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I'm beginning to think the two tuner solution is the only way, unless there is a way to somehow synchronize the phasing of the Milwaukee signal with the Chicago signal. Unless I was to purchase another 91XG aim opposite to Milwaukee below the Chicago antenna, combine it with my 91XG Chicago antenna on the same mast with the same length RG6 to a combiner/combiner amp and do the same with my two 30-2476 VHF antennas on my other mast and combine the VHF and UHF combinations with a UVSJ? Just an idea, I know that others have successfully combined exact antennas with exact length cables and the phasing wasn't an issue. I know that's a lot more work and a trip up the mast but I would do it to save the hassle of not only having two tuners in my home theater but to save the hassle of doing that in other rooms as well. Quote:
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Stay with this thread, I will try to provide my solution. Thanks, Bob |
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Antennas vs. tuners
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I was hoping. I doubt I will change anything with my set-up except tuners. I know there are some across the border that are doing just that though, There is a local electronic store who told me in their area-Kenosha WI that their installers point one at Chicago and one at Milwaukee. I didn't ask what antennas they sell. He said they don't sell rotors much anymore. But, I don't want to experiment anymore. You already know why I don't want 2 inputs two view two markets. Winter is coming :( Any suggestions on tuners? I have the Mediasonic Homeworx HW-150VR already and although the picture is good, I would like one with a good picture but a better signal meter that is a little easier to pull up the meter while I view content. I am told that I will need another brand to keep remote signals separate. Thanks, Bob |
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Channel Master has come out with a new tuner, the 7003.
http://www.channelmaster.com/Digital..._p/cm-7003.htm In theory, it is possible to add its SD analog output from one antenna system to your other system on channel 3 or 4 with the modulator in the 7003. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476488730 It is also possible to add its HD output to the other system with a modulator on an unused UHF channel. I haven't done either. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476488730 related thread: Reasonable ATSC-->QAM Transcoding Option? http://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hdt...ng-option.html My favorite way is still to connect antenna A to the antenna input of the TV and connect antenna B to the input of a separate tuner, with its output connected to the aux input of the TV. If your "TV" is really a monitor with no tuner, then you will need 2 separate tuners. |
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Rabbit, I went back to the post I did back in Hi Def. I'm sharing it because we had covered this problem, But the humor was great:
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Thanks, Bob |
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When you bought the Vizio 70" 4K TV without a tuner, your problem got even more complicated. You could have two external tuners, one for each antenna system. The output of one tuner would connect to the HDMI input of the 4K Vizio, and the output of the other tuner would connect to the component input of the Vizio. Alternative: 2 HDMI inputs on the Vizio. You would switch inputs of the Vizio to switch antenna systems if the Vizio would allow that to work. |
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Wow, bummer, I wrote a detailed reply to your quote above, hit preview, the screen went white and never recovered! My post is now part of the twilight zone in cyberspace :( The new Vizio part # E70u-D3. Good news! : It has 4 HDMI ports, One composite Video 5 cable input, one USB 3.0, one USB 2.0, One Ethernet, 802.11 dual band wireless, one optical video, Red/white RCA output, 8 core processor, whatever that means. http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476593254 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476593477 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476593477 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476562944 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476562966 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1476562980 Attachment 2379 Attachment 2380 Attachment 2381 The salesman tried awfully hard to get me into the M or P series and really tried to dismiss Vizio as a second rate display device. He tried to push me into a $4000 55" Sony, that was nice, the black level was incredible. But that wasn't what I came in for. But I was also impressed with the E70u-D3 with the 4K input that was showing some Ultra Hi Def video of Chicago at night and I couldn't stop staring. It was good enough for me. $1295 + tax and away I went. I could have bought the uplevel Vizios but I had original budgeted for the Vizio 65" at $995 and went there to buy it because it was $895 on sale. But I was drawn to the 70". When one is above the other the size difference is really noticeable. So they got me :) Good marketing. :) I've yet to do anything 4K on it, I will be looking for a 4K DVD player. |
Thanks for the model number; I wanted to be sure that you really did buy a display with no tuner. The M and P have tuners.
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Your attachments don't show. They need to be linked to a post and that link must have been lost when you lost the original post. I always add them as an attachment to a post the first time, and then they are available for reuse because they are in my list of attachments. I notice you are in the habit of creating an attachment for your list of attachments and then adding a link to it in a post, which is the reverse of the way I do it. |
Fixed it. Some extra space ther but not a dealbreaker :)
Fixed attachments above. Some extra space there but not a dealbreaker :)
They showed in my first reply on the one that got sucked into the twilight zone. Since the attachment wind was still open I jut copied from there. Bad move. I was afraid to preview again so I just hit "Save" Ooops ! |
After haven been bitten by long forum posts that ended up lost, I found that the combination of Firefox plus the add-on "Lazurus" has solved that issue. Lazurus keeps a copy of your post in it's memory and, if the forum or the browser chokes and dies, the post can be salvaged upon retrying. Worth it to make the change if you have to!
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Losing a post like that sucks indeed. Another technique is to copy the text and submit, come back and edit. The problem is it doesn't happen enough for me to think about it on a regular basis, it seems to happen just often enough to catch me by surprise. I am going to install Firefox this morning and check out Lazurus. The name is appropriate. |
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