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Installed the PA 18 preamp on the Channel Master. Already had one on the DB8E. Used the combiner that I had on hand from Antennas Direct. Connected to the CM distribution amp and got stations without the interference. Tried without the distribution amp and lost many stations. Re-connected the distribution amp. I get every station available except WPGH 53. Had a couple rainy days and that affected my reception. Since I have now received my UVSJs, would there be any value in trying one of them in place of the Antenna Direct combiner? I think I'm about as optimized as I can for my location unless there are other suggestions. Thanks to everyone for all the generous, patient help. TV Fool is a fantastic resource and this forum, with all the great people, is a true asset for techno-dunces like me. If there is some way I can support this or contribute a little something to the ongoing upkeep, please let me know. I still have some spare UVSJs if anyone needs some |
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Your current TVFool report doesn't list WPGH because of database errors used to generate the report. https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....8&d=1556203782 However, a report from rabbitears.info does list WPGH, and its list of channels should be more accurate. WPGH is listed as much weaker than your other channels. https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....9&d=1556203813 Quote:
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WPGH is moving to channel 20 during Repack Phase 4, 6/22/2019 to 8/2/2019 https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...&callsign=WPGH https://www.rabbitears.info/repackch...=&lss=&status= https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/fcc-in...ition-schedule They might be running at reduced power because of antenna work. Quote:
Enjoy your new setup. Best regards, rabbit |
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:o There are times that WPGH comes in, usually poorly. Will the repack improve or diminish my chances at receiving WPGH? |
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The channel 20 transmitter will be running at a little less horizontal power because it is on a lower channel which requires less power for the same coverage area. Coverage area is important to the companies that are paying for the ads. https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...&callsign=WPGH click on Technical Data channel 43 1000 kW ERP horizontal polarization 55.6 mile contour / 9726 sq. mi. area / Est. Pop. 2,976,383 channel 20 800 kW ERP horizontal polarization + 343.2 kW ERP vertical polarization 57.2 mile contour / 10284.5 sq. mi. area / Est. Pop. 3,128,179 |
Thanks, rabbit 73.
I don't understand the numbers you posted other than KW. Just have to wait and see |
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WPGH has a transmitter with an output of 45.6 kW It also has an antenna with a gain of 13.41 dB that makes the output of the transmitter stronger 45.6 kW + 13.41 dB gain = 1000 kW ERP and this is the WPGH coverage map for 55.6 mile contour / 9726 sq. mi. area / Est. Pop. 2,976,383 https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....0&d=1556231964 |
Thanks for the explanation.
What does vertical polarization do? |
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Some vertical polarization has been added to the horizontal polarization of the newer antennas with the hope that it will make the reception of the new ATSC 3.0 signals more effective for mobile devices. |
I had a choice of a new thread or resurrect this old one.
Hope this is ok. Thanks, again, for your indulgence. I'll start off by saying I'm aware of repack and don't think any of my issues are related to that. I have lost stations recently, both UHF and VHF. Actually, I can't get any VHF stations at all. My UHF antenna is an Antennas Direct DB8E and my VHF is a Channel Master Deep Fringe Masterpiece 100-Mile Range Outdoor Antenna I replaced the splitter/amplifier with a new Antennas Direct. I have used both , that one and the CM 3020(?). Here is my TVFool report. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...9038bb9e5afa9f Here are the stations I have lost. Call Letters RF Virtual WQED 4 4 WTAE 27 4 WPCW 30 19 *WTOV 9 9 *WWCP 8 8 The first two I have been able to receive recently The next two have been a while and the last one would be nice. I have not adjusted the UHF antenna since I got it optimized but do adjust the CM to see if I can get anything with it. Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated |
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The signal reports at TV Fool are very much out of date. It would be very helpful if you could post a link to your RabbitEars report. You can generate one at this link: https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php Tell us a bit more about your antenna system. Are you combining the two antennas with a UVSJ combiner before the preamp? Which Antennas Direct preamp? The Juice or the PA18? Are you using a rotator? If fixed, which way is each antenna pointing? What stations are you receiving with good results? How are your connections waterproofed at the antenna and preamp? |
Thanks, Tim.
Here's the link from Rabbit Ears. https://www.rabbitears.info/searchma...tudy_id=154450 I am using a USVJ between the preamps and the splitter/amp. I am using the PA18 pre amps I have no waterproofing other that how the equipment came I do not have a rotor. I haven't touched the UHF antenna since I had it optimized about a year and a half ago. It's somewhere around 210 The CM is easy to rotate. It had been sitting at approx.215 for some time. Presently, it's about 160 trying to pick up WWCP 8 which has ABC to replace the lost WTAE. Here are my good stations: Call Letters RF Virtual KDKA 25 2 WJAC 35 6 WPX! 23 11 ION 38 16 MYTV 42 22 WPCB 28 40 WPGH 43 53 I'm thinking I have some kind of problem with the Channel Master. I cannot pick up any VHF stations. Granted there aren't that many. |
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The RabbitEars link you provided pulls up Topeka, KS which is the default location for the signal search map. Be sure to enter your address in the search box at the bottom left of the map, then click the 'Search' button. Then click on the 'Move Pushpin to Center of Map View' button. You can then drag the pushpin to your exact location if needed. Enter your antenna height above ground in the appropriate box. Press the 'Go' button and wait for the result list to populate. Then copy the shareable link from the top of the Result List and share here. |
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Were you able to receive WTAE when they were on real channel 51? Were you ever able to receive WTAE after they transitioned to real channel 27? |
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Thanks, Rabbit.
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It was never one of my better stations Now it's very pixelated and is watchable very infrequently. I'm an old fart so I need my son to climb for me. He's off weekends but, unfortunately, I'm on 48 hour work/on call this and next weekend. Like to get WTAE because that's where the best college football games are :) WTAE was problematic awhile ago when I started this original thread but pretty reliable until recently |
Well, after seeing that RabbitEars report, I will just have to comment that I think it is remarkable that you are receiving the stations you are getting now. If any of your coax connections are a problem, hopefully replacing them will eliminate enough loss so you get your ABC affiliate again. Let us know what you find when you're able to get someone up to the antenna.
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My elevation is pretty high which may help.
A real good scan will give me 40 stations on the count. That includes all the sub stations like 2.1, 2.2 &2.3 for example Mostly it's the mid to upper 30s Regarding my VHF, is there a possibility of a bad balun? I don't know what they do Also, since the Channel Master is both VHF and UHF, could it pick up some UHF stations? |
Here's what Antenna Direct has for my location:
They're a little more optimistic Available Channels Call Sign Affiliate Virtual Channel DTV Channel Real Channel Band True Heading Distance MyTV22- MyN 22.1 43 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi WPGH fox FOX 53.1 43 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi Antenna antenna tv Antenna TV 53.2 43 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi Charge! Charge! 53.3 43 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi MyTV MyN 22.1 42 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi Stadium Stadium 22.2 42 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi Comet comet tv Comet TV 22.3 42 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi TBD TBD 22.4 42 UHF 216.33° 36.4 mi WPCW-DT cw CW 19.1 30 UHF 217.19° 36.92 mi H&I Heroes & Icons 19.2 30 UHF 217.19° 36.92 mi GRIT grit Grit 19.3 30 UHF 217.19° 36.92 mi Light Light TV 19.4 30 UHF 217.19° 36.92 mi Circle Circle 19.5 30 UHF 217.19° 36.92 mi KDKA-HD cbs CBS 02.1 25 UHF 217.20° 36.93 mi StartTV Start TV 02.2 25 UHF 217.20° 36.93 mi DABL Dabl 02.3 25 UHF 217.20° 36.93 mi WPCB Cornerstone 40.1 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi CourtTV Court TV 40.2 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi Bounce bounce tv Bounce TV 40.3 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi Quest Quest 40.4 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi 40.5 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi PFFC Religious 40.6 28 UHF 195.14° 37.75 mi this tv This TV 69.1 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi gettv GetTV 69.2 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi retro tv Retro TV 69.3 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi NewsNet 69.4 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi justice network Justice Network 69.5 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi Heartland 69.6 30 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi ION ion ION 16.1 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi qubo qubo Qubo 16.2 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi IONPlus ION Plus 16.3 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi Shop infomercials Infomercials 16.4 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi HSN hsn HSN 16.5 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi QVC qvc QVC 16.6 38 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi WQED-HD pbs PBS 13.1 4 VHF 210.73° 38.07 mi CREATE create Create 13.2 4 VHF 210.73° 38.07 mi WORLD world channel World Channel 13.3 4 VHF 210.73° 38.07 mi SHOW PBS Fundraisers 13.4 4 VHF 210.73° 38.07 mi KIDS PBS Kids 24/7 13.5 4 VHF 210.73° 38.07 mi HSN hsn HSN 61.1 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi MOVIES Movies! 61.2 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi BUZZR BUZZR 61.3 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi SBN SonLife 61.4 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi CTM Court TV Mystery 61.5 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi Decades 61.6 26 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi JTV Jewelry TV 39.1 19 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi CRTV infomercials Infomercials 39.2 19 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi SHOP LC Shop LC 39.3 19 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi QVC2 QVC2 39.4 19 UHF 210.72° 38.07 mi WPXI-HD nbc NBC 11.1 23 UHF 214.37° 38.2 mi Me-TV me-tv Me-TV 11.2 23 UHF 214.37° 38.2 mi LAFF TV Laff 11.3 23 UHF 214.37° 38.2 mi WTAE abc ABC 04.1 27 UHF 193.97° 45.56 mi Cozi TV COZI TV 04.2 27 UHF 193.97° 45.56 mi Stadium Stadium 22.2 27 UHF 193.97° 45.56 mi Comet comet tv Comet TV 22.3 27 UHF 193.97° 45.56 mi TBD TBD 22.4 27 UHF 193.97° 45.56 mi NBC nbc NBC 06.1 35 UHF 139.57° 49.69 mi METV me-tv Me-TV 06.2 35 UHF 139.57° 49.69 mi Comet comet tv Comet TV 06.3 35 UHF 139.57° 49.69 mi CW+ cw+ CW+ 06.4 35 UHF 139.57° 49.69 mi WKBN-HD cbs CBS 27.1 31 UHF 280.56° 55.17 mi WYFX-HD fox FOX 27.2 31 UHF 280.56° 55.17 mi WYTV-HD abc ABC 33.1 31 UHF 280.56° 55.17 mi My YTV MyN 33.2 31 UHF 280.56° 55.17 mi WFMJ-HD nbc NBC 21.1 20 UHF 281.79° 55.65 mi WBCB-HD cw CW 21.2 20 UHF 281.79° 55.65 mi DABL Dabl 21.3 20 UHF 281.79° 55.65 mi FOX fox FOX 08.1 8 VHF 155.38° 56.12 mi ABC abc ABC 08.2 8 VHF 155.38° 56.12 mi WWLM-CD this tv This TV 20.1 36 UHF 213.78° 60.57 mi MOVIES! gettv GetTV 20.2 36 UHF 213.78° 60.57 mi RETRO retro tv Retro TV 20.3 36 UHF 213.78° 60.57 mi LWN 20.4 36 UHF 213.78° 60.57 mi WPSUHD pbs PBS 03.1 15 UHF 76.55° 61.69 mi WPSU Cr create Create 03.2 15 UHF 76.55° 61.69 mi WPSU WL world channel World Channel 03.3 15 UHF 76.55° 61.69 mi PSUKIDS PBS Kids 24/7 03.4 15 UHF 76.55° 61.69 mi ABC abc ABC 23.1 24 UHF 111.62° 64.95 mi FOX fox FOX 23.2 24 UHF 111.62° 64.95 mi This this tv This TV 23.3 24 UHF 111.62° 64.95 mi Antenna antenna tv Antenna TV 23.4 24 UHF 111.62° 64.95 mi |
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