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Here's an update and a few more questions, please, if you will indulge me.
Received and installed the CM 5020 this week. So, I am using it as well as the DB8-E. Most of the lost stations have re-appeared. Some aren't quite watchable yet. Hopefully, a little tweak will help. I got back WPCW 19 the CW and WTOV Channel 9. WPGH 53 is so-so. I am picking up WQED 13 PBS but it's not watchable. An oddity (to me) was when I had no VHF antenna connected I received WWCP 8 better than I do with an antenna. I seem to have lost strength on a couple stations that are UHF. WTAE 4 and WJAC 6. These were real strong with the DB8-E only but go in and out now that I have both. Is there some conflict with using these two antennas? The Channel Master is @ 18' and pointing at 225 I haven't moved the DB 8E in months. It is 12' and @ 210 Thanks, again, for any insights |
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Thanks for the response, Tim.
Each antenna is on the same mast with separate lines coming into the house with separate pre-amps. They are separate until they combine at a combiner to go into my distribution amp Hope this is what you are asking |
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Something I got from Antennas Direct several years ago, I think.
It looks like a splitter turned around but it's not. I have been using it since I got a second antenna way back. I tried the splitters turned around and they didn't work. This has worked for quite a while |
The combiner is a Channelplus and it says combiner/splitter.
Since I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't get back to sleep I decided to test something. I disconnected the DB 8-E to see what I could get. I continued to get WTOV 9, WQED 13 a little better and WPCW 19 as well as WPGH 53. All VHF stations except for 53. Then, I disconnected the Channel Master. This allowed WTAE 4, WPXI 11 and WJAC 6 to come in clear and strong again but no 53. This implies there is some kind of conflict but I have no idea how to fix it. |
That is what happens when you do not use one feed line for uhf&one for vh f
With an A/B switcher. |
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going on. You need to keep the two antennas separate all the way to each tv. You can accomplish that by either using an A/B switch or a separate tuner at each tv. You then need to readjust each antenna because that cancellation could have caused mis-aiming. |
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Is a hi gain ANTENNA manufactures say that DISTRIBUTION AMP Can all so can cause the same problem they fight one other. |
Nascarken, unless I misunderstand you, I have separate feeds up to the distribution amp where they are combined.
This is how I have been doing it for almost a couple years and just now experiencing it. Joe AZ, also, why is this just now manifesting? Is it because of the new Channel Master? When the Clearstream 5 from Antennas Direct was hooked up with the DB 8 E, it wasn't a problem. |
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different antennas. How they interact with your DB8-E are also very different when combined. |
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Is there a plain old VHF antenna that won't cause this problem?
I don't think I want to monkey around with AB switches on every TV |
And to complicate things,(for me at least), the bedroom TV gets some of the stations I don't get on the living room TV.
They are both cheap Element tvs. |
I feel your pain brother
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Combining dissimilar antennas of the same band almost never works. Especially if they are pointing in different directions. in fact that's a double whammy. Pointing two duplicate antennas in the same direction does work however. I had to prove it to myself and I can tell you that's the only way it seems to work. Unfortunately, many people just don't know that that's how it is. I wouldn't say I learned the hard way because I ended up with two excellent arrays. I just can't combine them. Even when I do combine them I get most of my strong stations but I will lose the weaker ones. For example if I do a scan with the antennas combined, I will get about 80 stations. If I separate the antennas I will get about 97 stations a lot of them off the back side of the highly directional antennas. BTW, instead of an A/B switch I use two different tuners and switch the inputs on the TV. I have my inputs labeled "Chicago" and "Milwaukee" |
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https://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/...P_LastViewed_3 That Channel Master 5020 should be doing just fine with VHF. That's a very big antenna and has a large elements. Much larger elements than the Stellar labs VHF antenna. Which tells me the 5020 is VHF low too. |
Thanks, Bob, for your input.
I'm a techno-dunce and don't understand this stuff very much. Do you have an example of a product that is a tuner so I could learn about them? If I understand, my Channel Master and my DB 8 E are dissimilar antennas. If I combine them with the right pre-amp I may have success? Right now, my UHF antenna is powered with an Antennas Direct PA 18 UHF/VHF pre amp kit. I'd had thought of connecting both antennas to it but didn't have the cables on hand when I hooked the antennas up |
I thought I liked the CM 5020 because I'm getting the stations I lost.
But with it messing up the other UHF stations I was looking at othjer solutions |
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Here's is a question for you: Are you using the CM5020 just for receiving VHF channels and the DB8E just for receiving UHF channels? If so, then you could combine them using a UVSJ combiner. If not, then you might could use a custom combiner designed for your specific channels. It all depends on which specific channels you want to receive on each antenna.
There is an eBay seller jan_jenca in Slovakia who custom makes the combiners at reasonable prices. I have ordered from him and was very pleased with the product. He also has a web site. http://www.antenne-komponenty.eu/eng...zlucovace.html |
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