Need help with DIY Antenna Design
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Hey Folks, I live in the mountains of southwest Virginia. I plan to build a DIY antenna and would like input on the best design and size for my situation. My house is about 1600 feet elevation with nearby mountains that are are 3000 to 4000 feet high. If I cannot get direct signals, I am hoping that maybe I can get reflected signals. Any advice and help is appreciated. Dave
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Welcome back, Dave
I see you have a previous thread: Can I get OTA TV at my location? http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=15198 This is the image report that you gave in your previous thread: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506711616 Thanks for the signal report image for this new thread. I see that you have entered an antenna height of 500 feet. Do have a 500 ft tower at 1401? http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506712166 This is a report at 20 feet based on the 1401 location in your image: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a49b16d0a52d http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506714936 WCYB has NBC, CW, and Decades http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wcyb WKIN is Me-TV, Grit, Bounce TV, and Heroes & Icons http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wkin WJHL is CBS and ABC and will be moving to channel 9 http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wjhl WSBN has PBS Encore but will be going off the air because of repack http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...&callsign=wsbn your report at 50 feet http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a42d0ed01454 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506717177 |
It is the real channel number that determines what antenna is needed.
VHF-Low, real channels 2-6 VHF-High, real channels 7-13 UHF, real channels 14-51 The virtual channel number (like 5.1) is a holdover from the analog TV days to maintain the identity of the station, and is what the TV displays. Quote:
A ready-made antenna for VHF-Low and VHF-High would look like this: https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=hd8200u this is their house brand equivalent https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=HD8200XL |
I believe channel 5 also broadcasts on a UHF channel. If I need 6 foot long elements and a 500 foot tower it sounds like its not going to be feasible.
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WCYB also has a transmitter on channel 29, but it is too weak for you even with your antenna at 50 feet.
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Rabbit, I really appreciate your help. Is my situation hopeless to get TV OTA? Can you give me a scenario where I might be able to get a few channels (i.e. Antenna size and design). Reinvesting some money from the cable company to a big antenna might be worth it?
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No, I don't think it is hopeless, based on your signal reports.
VHF channels are used for hilly terrain areas because VHF signals can make it over hills better than UHF signals. I will work on a scenario and try to think of some inexpensive tests for you to make. |
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For something smaller, you might be able to receive WJHL directly or off a reflection with the MCM 30-2476 and a preamp. The MCM antenna is inexpensive, but is on backorder. Put your name on the backorder list. http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produc...-2476-/30-2476 redirects to Newark which is now combined with MCM http://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/3...14_US%2Fsearch Manufacturer: STELLAR LABS Manufacturer Part No: 30-2476 Newark Part No.: 71Y5462 Quote:
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This shows the hill just south of your location that blocks the WCYB 5 signal:
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506794352 The WCYB signal coverage is very spotty in rough terrain: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506794352 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506794352 |
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The hill also blocks WJHL:
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506796150 WJHL is weaker than WCYB: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506796150 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506796150 |
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This is a contour map of the WCYB signal path and two hills:
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506802080 WJHL signal path with hill coordinates: http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506803999 |
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TVFool report if your antenna is on Hill A:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a48f7776b0d9 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506819389 TVFool report if your antenna is on Hill B, which is closer to your house. The signals aren't as strong as on Hill A, but stronger than at your house: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a4f2c4f2f960 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506819787 |
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Oblique view looking North, showing your location and Hills A and B:
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506820181 http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.p...1&d=1506820366 |
What if he got landowner permission to put an antenna up in a tree on "Hill B", which is about 700 feet away. If he used RG-11, the losses even at the high end of UHF (700 MHz) would be around 20 dB. A CM-7777 pre-amp has 30 dB of gain, so it seems like this could work? I found a 1000-foot role of RG-11 for only $100. If he put in on "Hill A", the run is closer to 1000 feet but since the signals are about 20 dB stronger there, Hill A might be the better option.
Or maybe even the unmarked hill, (I'll call it Hill C), located about 1000-feet west of Hill B? Possible coax source: https://www.cablewholesale.com/products/coaxial-cable/rg11-bulk-... |
Either that or put up a dual antenna to capture and re-transmit the signal down to his location.
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Does anybody on the forum have direct experience with this approach?
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I've seen a post on it, someone did it for a location in WV i believe. I'll look around for it.
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Doesn't need to be that technical. It's basically just 2 antennas, one aimed at the towers, the other aimed at your house. Connected to each other with a short coax cable.
I'd try the bow tie style antennas with reflectors to block reception from the back side. That is if you have permission to put them up on one of the hills. |
Sorry.
I not the OP :o Just found the topic interesting. See other post for my situation http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=15276 Wish this idea was used by my now shutdown home owner's cable system. Maintenance cost of the ridge head end facility forced the shutdown. |
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