2020 Repack and Antenna Design
Hi all,
With the new repack and station reassignments and all the channels being below 36, wouldn't it be prudent for manufacturers to redesign antennas? I know what the marketing answer is. If we can sell more antennas, we would redesign them. But on a more practical side, why not? To me it's a golden opportunity for marketing. Just like they did when color TV came out. All the sudden the previously designed antennas became "Color TV antennas". Or, what about the DTV transition? These same antennas now became "Digital TV antennas". I mean everyone here has to admit that current TV antenna design could now be optimized and eliminate anything that helps with over channel 36. What's funny to me, is when Winegard design there 7 through 69 series, everything above Channel 51 was eliminated right in the same time frame. Or, does it really matter? I think it does matter. I've looked at several tests from different authors who like certain antenna in certain Channel bands. For example Tom Ballister felt that they 4228HD was a much better antenna below channel 40 than the other 8 bay antennas. I'm generalizing but that's kind of what I picked up from this review: http://www.antennahacks.com/Comparis..._vs_HD8800.htm In the Winegard example, wouldn't have been optimal to filter out all the + 700MHz LTE signals and optimize the lower channels? In other words if a certain antenna is optimized to a certain Channel range who cares what happens to the non-used TV channels? I feel this is a legit question and may affect my future antenna choices. I'm seriously considering the CM4228HD for my future hobbying. |
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However, your point is well taken and according to all the information I've read about "cord cutting" continuing to rise, you would think that the remaining domestic manufactures would be taking notice. I know it's a somewhat complicated issue with numerous thoughts abounding. I guess we'll see. Right now I've seen various "knock off" antenna designs across the web, mostly scaled down versions of outdoor antennas or "new" indoor ones claiming longer distance reception, etc. I have read that when 3.0 OTA kicks in over the next several years, even indoor reception will improve with current antennas and other interesting options. However, the FCC is giving TV manufactures 5-7 years to incorporate 3.0 into their tuners. LG maybe the first to incorporate. So, in order to receive "all the goodies," consumers will have to plug their antennas into a small box and connect to their TV's, just like we did when switching over from Analog to Digital back in 08 or 09. Whoopie! But at least that's something to look forward to, I suppose. Anyway, maybe others (insiders) will chime in on what the "skinny" actually is going on. Take care, Bobs..... |
"NEXT GEN" television is being tested here in Arizona.
KFPH Flagstaff and it's Phoenix translator are hosting the testing. I've had the opportunity to see it and while their are some advantages, there are also disadvantages. As for antenna redesign, that is unlikely because of space limitations on store shelves. |
What would a new 14 through 37 antenna look like?
So, what would a new UHF antenna optimized for channels 14 through 37 look like?
For example would a 91XG be a little shorter? But it have different spacing on the elements? Do the whiskers get longer or shorter on a 4228HD? Does the bay get smaller? I'm sure VHF won't change but what about a VHF UHF combo antenna? |
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Personally I think the marketing people ruin everything. They decide what everybody should have. I've dealt directly with some Automotive tool companies. They started taking features out of the tools because they said nobody was using them.. Yes, they decided that the tools had to be dumber than the mechanics using them. In a way they were right but the really well trained mechanics started using different tools. I can't elaborate on it any more than that. I just notice the marketing departments tend to run the show. The engineers know better but the marketing people decide what hits the streets. It's very sad. |
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The 91XG is an older 14-69 design. Some of the consideration for redesign would be if there is a worldwide demand for a channel 15-36 antenna, or only a US market. |
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Thanks and all the best! |
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So how would you modify a 91 XG? Asking for a friend :). Seriously though I've seen some of those hi tech computer simulations from Holl_and, where he modifies the 91 XG. It's very complicated. |
Marketing, not common sense rules corporate
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I hope others do chime in now that the troll has been banished. We've all agreed to move on and one of the ways is to reactivate this forum. |
I found a company that specializes in re-pack antennas.
The title of this post isn't entirely true actually rabbit 73 gave me the links in another forum. I actually wrote the company an email and got back some good responses. Unfortunately they are in England. I picture them as a small to mid-size company that still cares about their consumers.
When I asked them about the repack in the US they said they had a antenna cut exactly for our new channel range in UHF of course. Since posting pictures hear it takes a lot of manipulation I'm just going to add the link for now. Justin recommended their A group antennas. https://www.aerialsandtv.com/atvstoc...ts.html#Agroup I haven't figured it out yet but he said the channel 20 through 37 antenna actually is good for the US Spectrum of 14 through 37. Maybe their bands are wider, wider than 6 megahertz like hours? |
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Hi Bobs: An article I came across recently mentions this: https://www.atsc.org/newsletter/atsc...here-we-stand/ The website is updated regularly on the latest news regarding NextGen or 3.0 OTATV. Also, soundandvision.com usually posts important updates. Quote:
P.S. Here's the article that specifically details the issue(s): https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...k-dolby-atmos/ |
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https://forum.tvfool.com/attachment....1&d=1558635321 Source: https://www.dipolnet.com/tv_channels...-dk__bib02.htm Their Band III (similar to our VHF-High) has channels 7 MHz wide. http://igorfuna.com/dvb-t/digital/tv...el-frequencies |
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in actuality, how the Nextgen signals travel. They brought a converter box and connected to my LG 55" OLED tv. We tried multiple antennas. Starting with my CM-3018, then my Winegard 7694P, then two custom antennas. They had high tech signal meters to see how the Nextgen signal arrived versus the current signal. With a 2 edge KFPH signal at my home, there was virtually no difference between current and Nextgen. The largest difference was between the custom antennas and my purchased antennas. We had my internet connected, which is required to benefit from Nextgen tv. The interface between the broadcast signal and internet was quite choppy. It might have been my internet but the engineers told me that it is a common Nextgen issue. The "local" content varied between Phoenix, Flagstaff and Prescott. It seemed like it couldn't make it's mind up over my location. The picture quality was superb, aside from the choppiness. The audio was not discernibly better than current broadcasts. |
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Like I said, I've only kept up with 3.0 through online articles, mostly positive with the promise of better reception. But it appears from your in home testing, there are numerous bugs to be worked out. I hope you can update if you have another lab in your home. Quote:
Best to your wife and you rabbit! |
If I understand correctly, the internet connection isn't mandatory but
it gives you "local" content versus national or regional content. There were constant weather updates on the bottom of the screen which could be enlarged for better viewing. There were local car ads, local news, restaurants, etc, etc any of which could be enlarged for more information.... I also understand that some of the streamed content is based on past viewing and purchasing habits. So yes, big brother IS watching! |
Here's a Consumer Reports article with many reader comments that I ran across recently. It explains the advantages and disadvantages of ATSC 3.0 OTA as clearly as I've seen. Buyer beware of "Big Bro."
https://www.consumerreports.org/tv-s...to-get-better/ |
Here's the latest on rollout for ATSC 3.0 OTA:
https://www.atsc.org/newsletter/comi...hing-atsc-3-0/ |
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