Can only get one channel [Archive]

stvcmty

5-Aug-2014, 5:03 PM

You said you get CW on (virtual) channel 2. WKTV, real channel UHF 29, has NBC on channel 2.1 and CW on channel 2.2, so I assume that is what you are getting. That makes sense, it is the strongest UHF station on your plot.

What types of antennas have you tried? Indoor, outdoor, un-amplified, amplified?

Many antennas would be a poor choice for the signal report you attached, you have a VHF-low station on RF6. Also, there appears to be a good bit of co channel interference at your location. You probably need a big antenna; wide side to side for VHF low stations, and long front to back for a tight pattern to reject unwanted signals.

What is your goal? Do you want an ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, PBS?

If I lived where you live, I would put a winegard HD7084P all band antenna pointed at 79 degrees true as high as possible with a RCA TVPRAMP1R.

FaT Air

5-Aug-2014, 7:21 PM

Aim antenna just slightly north (79°)of true west (90°).
The trees 10 to 15 ft higher than the antenna should be no problem if, and only if, the trees are far enough away. If they're close, may have to get above them. Keep your height options open. Some times a foot lower works better.

ADTech

5-Aug-2014, 8:47 PM

Aim antenna just slightly north (79°)of true west (90°).

That would actually be east. ;)

Get a large, all-channel antenna and a medium gain, low noise pre-amplifier. Mount it as high as possible initially and as far back away from the tree line opposite the direction to the Albany stations (which are your best bet) and aim it at Albany.

It has been and continues to be my experience that trees are always a wild card in reception, especially for the UHF channels.

Tower Guy

5-Aug-2014, 9:12 PM

If I lived where you live, I would put a winegard HD7084P all band antenna pointed at 79 degrees true as high as possible with a RCA TVPRAMP1R.

I would suggest exactly the same antenna and preamp.

teleview

5-Aug-2014, 9:29 PM

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Above the Peak of the Roof in such a manner that reception is not , obstructed , impeded , blocked , by the , attic , roof , building , in the directions of , East , North East , North , South East.

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Install a , Antennas Direct , DB8e , current UHF channels 14 thru 51 antenna.

http://www.amazon.com.

Aim 1 panel at about 65 degree magnetic compass direction.

Aim the other panel at about 110 degree magnetic compass direction.

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Here is how to aim antennas.

http://www.kyes.com/antenna/pointing/pointing.html.

Use a Real and Actual magnetic compass to aim antennas , do not trust a , cell phone , tablet and etc. compass.

As always , the antenna aim and location can be adjusted for best reception.

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Also about 3 feet below the DB8e antenna on the same antenna mast.

Install a , Winegard HD5030 , VHF channels 2 thru 13 antenna.

Aim the HD5030 at about 92 degree magnetic compass direction.

It looks like.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com.

Has the HD5030 in stock.

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/HD5030.htm.

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Install a.

http://www.antennacraft.net.

10G221 preamplifier.

Connect the DB8e UHF antenna to the UHF connection of the 10G221 preamp.

Connect the , HD5030 VHF antenna to the VHF connection of the , 10G221 preamp.

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For 1 Tv connected use No splitter.

For 2 Tv's connected use a , Holland Electronics , HFS-2D , 2 way splitter.

For 3 Tv's connected use a , Holland Electronics , HFS-3D , 3 way splitter.

Buy the , HFS-2D , HFS-3D , splitters at , http://www.hollandelectronics.com , or , http://www.amazon.com.

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http://www.ronard.com/712.html , Install the , ronard(712-50-10) , 10 foot tripod antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/34424560.html. Install the , ronard(4560) , eave antenna mount.

http://www.ronard.com/ychim.html. Measure around the chimney and use a , ronard(2212) , ronard(2218) , ronard(2224) .

http://www.ronard.com.

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Home Depot has , 10 foot 6 inch lengths of 1 and 3/8 inch diameter , TOP RAIL , chain link fence , PIPE , that makes good antenna mast/pipe , the price is low at about 12 dollars.

agmccall

6-Aug-2014, 5:05 PM

Thanks for all the replies. How far away can I have the antenna before I lose too much signal. I have a detached garage about 100 feet away, the peak is only about16' but the tree line is much farther away. The treeline from the house is only about 30 feet.

I have a conduit under ground to the house that I could run cable through and in the basement I have coax that the electrician ran for 4 different tv's, I could install a splitter at that spot

Thanks Again

al

FaT Air

6-Aug-2014, 5:22 PM

That would actually be east. ;)

---Ah, sorry. you're right. Dyslexia at work.:]

ADTech

6-Aug-2014, 6:31 PM

How far away can I have the antenna before I lose too much signal.

We'd have to know 'how much' is there before we could determine what is 'too much' loss.

A fair estimate is that RG6 will loose about 5.5- 6.0 dB per 100' or about 17' per dB of loss per foot at the highest UHF channels. Fortunately, we can utilize amplification to overcome this cabling loss so it will become much, much less of an issue. With 100' of coax from the antenna to your splitter and a four port splitter plus another 50' of coax from the splitter to the furthest room (just a guess), a preamp with a gain of about 25-30 dB and low noise (2-3 dB, at most) would work out just fine. The most capable pre-amp I've seen lately that would fit that bill is the "new" CM7777.

stvcmty

7-Aug-2014, 12:51 PM

The most capable pre-amp I've seen lately that would fit that bill is the "new" CM7777.

On paper, the Antennacraft 10G202 has 1db less UHF gain than the New 7777, but it may have lower noise. It is also less expensive. I do not have experience with either the 7777 or the 10G202, I just wanted the OP to know there were options.

ADTech

7-Aug-2014, 2:39 PM

Probably would also do the job. I've tested the 10G201, 10G221, & 10G222 but not the 10G202 so i don't have any data of my own on the 10G202.

stvcmty

7-Aug-2014, 3:05 PM

I have a conduit under ground to the house that I could run cable through and in the basement I have coax that the electrician ran for 4 different tv's, I could install a splitter at that spot

Thanks Again

al

Is anything else in the conduit between the house and the detached garage? I don’t think a coax can share a conduit with power cables.

Does the detached garage have its own electrical panel with ground rod?

Mounting the antenna on the detached garage is possible, but there may be some extra considerations for grounding to prevent ground loops and a possible situation where the coax shield is carrying ground fault current.

The coax from an antenna needs to go through a discharge device or a grounding block. The mast an antenna is mounted on needs to be grounded. Electrical grounding and sub panels has special rules. I highly recommend you consult an electrician and an antenna installer to make sure everything is safely grounded. It is possible you can do it right yourself, or people on this forum could walk you through it, but we would need to know exactly what you had and if any detail was left out or if something was wired wrong when the house or the garage were built, all the advice on a forum goes out the window.

agmccall

13-Aug-2014, 1:58 PM

Is anything else in the conduit between the house and the detached garage? I don’t think a coax can share a conduit with power cables.

Does the detached garage have its own electrical panel with ground rod?

Mounting the antenna on the detached garage is possible, but there may be some extra considerations for grounding to prevent ground loops and a possible situation where the coax shield is carrying ground fault current.

The coax from an antenna needs to go through a discharge device or a grounding block. The mast an antenna is mounted on needs to be grounded. Electrical grounding and sub panels has special rules. I highly recommend you consult an electrician and an antenna installer to make sure everything is safely grounded. It is possible you can do it right yourself, or people on this forum could walk you through it, but we would need to know exactly what you had and if any detail was left out or if something was wired wrong when the house or the garage were built, all the advice on a forum goes out the window.

Hello, Sorry for the dely responding, I was away for a few days

The conduit is empty, I had it run during construction just for an extra in case I needed to run something for whatever reason.

The house is off-grid and the power system (Batteries and inverter system) is in garage and ground rods are in place.

al

teleview

13-Aug-2014, 6:47 PM

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The house is off the grid.

As a way to reduce power consumption.

Reception can be Tested without and with a preamplifier.

When Reception is Tested without the preamplifier.

All parts of the preamplifier will Not be connected , preamp unit , power injector, power supply.

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When Testing reception without the preamplifier.

The 2 antennas , DB8e and HD5030 , are combined with a.

UVSJ= UHF/VHF - Separator/Joiner.

Connect the DB8e UHF antenna to the UHF connection of the UVSJ.

Connect the HD5030 VHF antenna to the VHF connection of the UVSJ.

The remaining connection of the UVSJ is connected to the Tv/s.

http://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direct-EU385CF-Combiner-Connection/dp/B008PBTPN4.

agmccall

13-Sep-2015, 4:25 PM

Hello All again

Have been busy with other projects and had to put my antenna on hold. I revisited this thread to get the info again. Some of the products mentioned are no longer available, and with the way technology progress I was wondering if anything new is on the market.

I will be purchasing and installing antenna in the next month and a half. I will be renting a lift to install a chimney on one side of the house and thought that would be a good time to install the antenna.

The install of the antenna for me will be a one shot deal as I will not be able to get on the roof with ladders I need the lift. and at the price of rentals I can only do this once.

So any new or additional info would be greatly appreciated

Thank You

al

rabbit73

13-Sep-2015, 7:31 PM

Hello, Al:

The Winegard HD7084P antenna suggested by ADTech and Tower Guy is still the best for you, because you need WRGB on real channel 6.
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=hd7084

You can see the networks available to your zip by clicking on the callsigns here:

http://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=zip_search&zipcode=12175&miles=60&address=&lat=&lon=&dbtype=dBm&height=

And the aim is still 79 degrees true, 92 degrees magnetic by a pocket compass, not an iPhone compass. You can also use the green signal lines shown on the TVFOOL interactive map browser, after you move the cursor to the antenna location, to pick a landmark for aiming.
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

for example:
http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1576&d=1442171574

The "new" Channel Master 7777 is probably still the best preamp for you. It is easily overloaded by strong signals, but you don't have any. Based on an estimate of your location, I also don't see any strong FM signals that would interfere with the reception of channel 6. The 7777 has an internal FM filter that is set to IN by default, but I'm not certain if that will affect channel 6 or not. See attachment 2. You can do your own FMFOOL report here:
http://www.fmfool.com/

Alternate preamps are the CM 7778 with a little less gain but more resistance to overload, and the RCA TVPRAMP1R which is less expensive but has a history of quality control problems.

I will be purchasing and installing antenna in the next month and a half. I will be renting a lift to install a chimney on one side of the house and thought that would be a good time to install the antenna.
I understand your problem, but I don't think it's a good idea to mount an antenna on the chimney until the mortar has reached full strength. And I question the wisdom of mounting a large antenna on the chimney even after the mortar has reached full strength.

The install of the antenna for me will be a one shot deal as I will not be able to get on the roof with ladders I need the lift. and at the price of rentals I can only do this once.Because of so many unknown factors, like the trees, there is no way I can guarantee immediate success; some experimentation might be required.

The coax shield should be grounded with a grounding block that is connected to the house electrical system ground with 10 gauge copper wire for electrical safety and to reject interference. For further compliance with the electrical code (NEC), the mast should also be grounded in a similar manner to drain any buildup of static charge, but the system will not survive a direct strike.

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1559&d=1441917363

The house is off-grid and the power system (Batteries and inverter system) is in garage and ground rods are in place.
Inverters can cause interference to TV reception. Sine wave inverters cause less interference than modified sine wave (which really should be called modified square wave) inverters. The interference can be conducted, radiated, or both. Some off-grid systems have a small sine wave inverter like the Exeltech XP125 for the TV and move the antenna away from the house as much as possible. (I read Home Power Magazine.)

agmccall

13-Sep-2015, 11:19 PM

thanks Rabbit for your response.

The antenna will not be on the same side of the house, I should have been more clear about that.

As for the preamp suggested. Can that be put in the basement or does it have to mounted to the mast with the antenna?

I have coax run in the house where I want my TV's and they all come together in the basement. Should I use the channel Master CM3414 4-Port Distribution Amplifier for Cable and Antenna Signal with it as a splitter or should I get an unamplified splitter.

The image you posted was close. My house is actually the one hidde by the (+) sign in the top left of the image.

Thanks again

al

rabbit73

13-Sep-2015, 11:20 PM

Besides the interference from the trees, you also have terrain interference for the signals on their way to your location:

Your weakest signal (the transmitter is at the left end; your location at the right):

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1578&d=1442186387

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1579&d=1442186404

Your strongest signal:

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1580&d=1442186421

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1582&d=1442187582

VHF signals can make it over the peaks better than UHF signals, by refraction.

rabbit73

13-Sep-2015, 11:56 PM

As for the preamp suggested. Can that be put in the basement or does it have to mounted to the mast with the antenna? The closer it is to the antenna, the better. The signals should be amplified before they encounter the coax loss. The amp cannot recreate a weak signal once it is lost. Also, the total system noise figure is best improved by the preamp when close to the antenna, which benefits the weakest signals. However, you are welcome to try it down below; I understand your desire to avoid having to go up there any more than necessary. That is not the best location because you would lose half the signal (3 dB). The attenuation factor for RG6 is about 6 dB per 100 feet for UHF.

I have coax run in the house where I want my TV's and they all come together in the basement. Should I use the channel Master CM3414 4-Port Distribution Amplifier for Cable and Antenna Signal with it as a splitter or should I get an unamplified splitter.

I suggest the preamp near the antenna and one TV below for a test. Then, add a passive 4-way splitter for more TVs. If there isn't enough signal, replace the splitter with a 3414.

DO NOT combine cable and OTA signals. It might cause cable signals to be radiated by your antenna system, which is illegal. The FCC has strict limits for radiation by cable systems because some channels are in the aircraft band.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=cable+system+egress
https://www.fcc.gov/guides/cable-signal-leakage

The image you posted was close. My house is actually the one hidden by the (+) sign in the top left of the image.Thanks for telling me; I rarely get to find out how close my guess was because this site tries to protect the identity of users.

agmccall

14-Sep-2015, 12:21 PM

Thanks again. I think I am ready to go. just a couple more questions.

Regarding the pre-amp How long is the electrical cord as I will probably need to add to it because where the antenna will be mounted I would either have to drill into the house or run it along the coax to the basement. Will there be a problem with interference if the power cable for the preamp and the coax from the antenna are run together down the side of the house.

And lastly, what are your thoughts and opinions regarding adding a antenna rotar to this system.

Thanks

al

ADTech

14-Sep-2015, 1:32 PM

Regarding the pre-amp How long is the electrical cord as I will probably need to add to it because where the antenna will be mounted I would either have to drill into the house or run it along the coax to the basement. Will there be a problem with interference if the power cable for the preamp and the coax from the antenna are run together down the side of the house.

That's all unnecessary. Preview the installation instructions for the pre-amp to see how they're connected.

rabbit73

16-Sep-2015, 12:42 AM

agmccall

18-Sep-2015, 4:50 PM

Which preamp did you get and where will it be located?

You don't need a rotator because all the signals for you are in the same direction. And you don't want a rotator because:
1. You don't want to rescan after every change of direction
2. Who gets to decide the direction when more than one TV is being used?
3. Do you really want to wait for the rotator to swing around?
4. Do you want to go up on the roof in January to fix a defective rotator?

I have not gotten the pre amp yet, but I am buying the channel master cm7777 and will be mounting on the mast with the antenna. From reading it seems I will run a short rj6 from antenna to preamp then more cable to basement where I will have the power inserter then into splitter.

What are some opinions on the channel master antenna's I am currently leaning toward the wineguard as suggested in this thread

thanks

al

rabbit73

18-Sep-2015, 10:03 PM

I have not gotten the pre amp yet, but I am buying the channel master cm7777 and will be mounting on the mast with the antenna. From reading it seems I will run a short rj6 from antenna to preamp then more cable to basement where I will have the power inserter then into splitter.That's correct, except the coax is RG6.What are some opinions on the channel master antenna's I am currently leaning toward the wineguard as suggested in this threadWe have been talking about Channel Master amps, but I didn't know you were thinking about Channel Master antennas.

agmccall

3-Nov-2015, 4:28 PM

Well, I am no better off than before, in fact, worse off.

I got the Wineguard antenna mentioned in this thread as well as the channelmaster preamp. I bought a compass to get the direction right. I hooked everything up and double checked all my connections.

I scanned for channels at one of my rg6 outlets in the house and got no channels at all. So I took the tv to the basement where all the connections come in and removed the line going into my splitter and connected directly to the tv and scanned again.

I ended up getting channels 2-3, 13-1, 13-2, 13-3, 45-1, 45-2

13-1 and 13-2 are basically what I had before, 2-1 and 2-2 except now I am getting the Albany stations instead of the Utica stations. 13-3 is just doppler radar.

I have a couple more channels but, they are unwatchable as they pixelate continuously and I can only get them in the basement directly connected.

Any suggestions..

I went back to my $29.00 RCA antenna (Looks like a Shark Fin) mounted on the east side of my house and picks up the Utica stations, west of me. I would have thought over $200.00 worth of antenna equipment would have at least gotten me decent reception considering the antennas I am pointing at are closer than the ones in Utica

al

cnyjim

3-Nov-2015, 9:37 PM

If you can receive WKTV at least you will be getting a CBS station soon.

Utica, NY viewers are about to have their own CBS affiliate for the first time in more than 50 years. Heartland Media, owners of WKTV, CW11, and MeTV-Utica, will launch the local, Utica-based CBS Utica 2 from its Deerfield studios next month.

StephanieS

8-Nov-2015, 7:47 PM

Greetings,

Yes, for ease of help by the folks here, starting a new thread scatters everyone. It makes your situation easier to handle keeping all the relevant information in one thread gives you the best chance at continued assistance.

This situation is odd to me. It has been mentioned in this thread that trees are a significant issue, especially on UHF. Your signals are trending weak so any tree obstruction would concern me. With the equipment you purchased, you should doing well. Also, with larger antenna you purchased, it is directional. Hence, with all its signal gathering ability pointed at Albany I would expect Utica to not show up. Antennas, especially directional large antennas have a beam like a flashlight which is their primary focus to "see " signals. Looking at your plot, Albany would be the only market I'd concentrate on. Utica is simply too weak based on this plot to invest any time in.

Suggestions:

1. Test Winegard antenna at location where cheapie RCA antenna is. Remember with trees and weak signals you may be playing around with various locations to find sweet spot. Coax to one TV only for purposes of test.
2. Give up on Utica completely. Albany is and remains your best bet as has been suggested to you.
3. If no success, get above tree line completely. This may mean a 40' mast anchored to the side of the house, or a tower that clears the tree line.

TV antenna installation can be a bit of a black art. Each installation is different and obstructions can cause reception problems, both seen and unseen. Lesson: you have to keep testing if you don't have the desired results.

Well, I am no better off than before, in fact, worse off.

Any suggestions..

I went back to my $29.00 RCA antenna (Looks like a Shark Fin) mounted on the east side of my house and picks up the Utica stations, west of me. I would have thought over $200.00 worth of antenna equipment would have at least gotten me decent reception considering the antennas I am pointing at are closer than the ones in Utica

al

Tower Guy

8-Nov-2015, 7:56 PM

I see two potential problems, interference from your solar panels or a problem with the scanning function of your TV set. When you pick up CW on 2.2 you should also get NBC on 2.1. When you get CW on 45.1 and 45.2 you should also get 45.3 (CBS). Try the double rescan process suggested by the FCC by disconnecting your antenna from the TV set, unplug the TV set from the power source and reconnect it, and then rescan for channels. It should find zero channels, next reconnect the antenna, unplug the power source, reconnect the power, and scan again. Then report the results.

If your antenna is close to your solar panels you may want to move the antenna as far away from the panels as possible.

agmccall

9-Nov-2015, 12:30 PM

1. Test Winegard antenna at location where cheapie RCA antenna is. Remember with trees and weak signals you may be playing around with various locations to find sweet spot. Coax to one TV only for purposes of test.
Can't do that, the cheapie rca is mounted to side of house next to window

2. Give up on Utica completely. Albany is and remains your best bet as has been suggested to you.
3. If no success, get above tree line completely. This may mean a 40' mast anchored to the side of the house, or a tower that clears the tree line.

At the cost of such a tower I might as well just get a satellite dish and service.

TV antenna installation can be a bit of a black art. Each installation is different and obstructions can cause reception problems, both seen and unseen. Lesson: you have to keep testing if you don't have the desired results.

Thanks for your reply

al

agmccall

9-Nov-2015, 12:32 PM

agmccall

15-Nov-2015, 6:10 PM

As suggested in another thread I was reading I did the double rescan. Disconnected the antenna and the power from tv, then plugged tv back in and scanned, as was stated I got no channels. Then I plugged the antenna in and scanned again with my new setup, still nothing. So I took the tv to the basement and did the double rescan again, this time from before the splitter, no channels at all. I did it a third time and unplugged the power to the preamp, still nothing, not even the channels I got before.

Question; In order to bypass the preamp, is it sufficient to just unplug the power or will I have to get up to the antenna and move the cable from the output of the preamp directly into the antenna

al

p.s. sorry for the duplicate post, other people are responding in the other thread that I made

Tim

15-Nov-2015, 6:20 PM

Question; In order to bypass the preamp, is it sufficient to just unplug the power or will I have to get up to the antenna and move the cable from the output of the preamp directly into the antenna

You have to physically take the preamp out of the circuit and connect directly to the antenna.

agmccall

16-Nov-2015, 7:12 PM

You have to physically take the preamp out of the circuit and connect directly to the antenna.

Thanks, looks like a project for this weekend

al

agmccall

31-Oct-2016, 4:03 PM

OK so I took the summer off from trying to get channels and finally decided to see if I could improve my situation. To recap, based on recommendations from here I installed the following winegard hd7698p antenna and Channel Master CM-7777 Titan 2 Antenna Preamplifier. Then I was unable to get any stations so it was suggested that I remove the pre-amp I did this and now I get the following

06-1 6.3 WRGB-HD CBS "CBS 6"
06-2 6.4 this TV This TV
06-3 6.5 Comet Comet TV

10-1 26.3 WTEN-HD ABC "WTEN"
10-2 26.4 WTEN-SD GetTV
10-3 26.5 LWN Justice Network

13-1 WNYT-HD
13-2 WNYT-ME
13-3 WNYT-WX

I also still get 2-1,2-2,2-3, and 2-4 out of utica NY.

But, I do not get 17-1, 17-2, and 17-3 out of Schenectady which is between my home and Albany, these are the PBS stations Also, 23-1, 23-2, 23-3 which is FOX, Horse Racing and Laff. I do not really care about horse racing or laff but I would like to get FOX.

It was suggested that I get another pre-amp that is not as powerful as the Channel Master CM7777. The only issue is I need a powered splitter to distribute the signal in the house because All the cable lines come together in the basement and the runs are anywhere from 25-50 ft.

Any further suggestions and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Al

rabbit73

31-Oct-2016, 8:03 PM

Hello, Al:

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1749&d=1447015391

Your tvfool reports are no longer on the server; please redo your report using coordinates for best accuracy. You can find your coordinates by moving the cursor on the interactive map. The coordinates will change below the map as you move the cursor by drag and drop.
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

I found an image of your old report, but it is not as useful as an active link to a report. Is it accurate?

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2432&stc=1&d=1477964085

Here is a link to another report I did today from an estimate of your location:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3ddfafe6524b49ec

Is it accurate?

or is this one better:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3ddfaf5556ae6a08

agmccall

1-Nov-2016, 7:56 AM

I really do not know if it is accurate or not.

Here is what I get when I put my address in

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3ddfaf0e6db374d7

Thanks

Al

ADTech

1-Nov-2016, 10:44 AM

It isn't, use the interactive maps tool to accurately place the marker on your rooftop, set your height, then generate a new plot.

This happens all the time, Google's geo-coding of addresses has serious gaps in its accuracy.

rabbit73

1-Nov-2016, 6:57 PM

I really do not know if it is accurate or not.Thank you for the new report, Al.

What I'm trying to find out is, if your antenna location is in the clear in a open area or surrounded by trees. That might give us a clue about you reception problem. At this point, we really don't know the cause.

What I really would like to see is a satellite view of the house with green signal lines done with the tvfool interactive map browser.
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90

Your previous threads:

No Better Off
8-Nov-2015
http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=15827

Lost Channels out of Utica NY
19-Jan-2016
http://forum.tvfool.com/showthread.php?t=15900

Actually, THIS thread, Can only get one channel, is your oldest. It would be best to keep all future posts here for continuity and reference. It is difficult to understand your reception problem when it is spread out over multiple threads.

rabbit73

1-Nov-2016, 10:42 PM

I read through your thread again:
The image you posted was close. My house is actually the one hidden by the (+) sign in the top left of the image.Is this it?

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2434&stc=1&d=1478040106

http://forum.tvfool.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2435&stc=1&d=1478050020

Here is a report based on the coordinates for the image above at 25 ft:
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40 ft
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rabbit73

2-Nov-2016, 1:40 AM

To recap, based on recommendations from here I installed the following winegard hd7698p antenna and Channel Master CM-7777 Titan 2 Antenna Preamplifier. Then I was unable to get any stations so it was suggested that I remove the pre-amp I did this and now I get the following

06-1 6.3 WRGB-HD CBS "CBS 6"
06-2 6.4 this TV This TV
06-3 6.5 Comet Comet TV

10-1 26.3 WTEN-HD ABC "WTEN"
10-2 26.4 WTEN-SD GetTV
10-3 26.5 LWN Justice Network

13-1 WNYT-HD
13-2 WNYT-ME
13-3 WNYT-WXWe first suggested the 7698, but then we all suggested the all-channel Winegard HD7084P antenna to be certain you would receive WRGB. Fortunately, you are able to receive WRBG with the 7698 even though it isn't designed for VHF-Low, because it is your strongest channel.

The 7777 should have worked; here's the math:
WRGB -58.5 dBm = -9.5 dBmV
Max input 7777 = 15 dBmV
Estimated gain of 7698 for VHF-Low = < 10 dB
WRGB -9.5 dBmV + 10 dB ant = +0.5 dBmV; preamp OK
WRGB -58.5 dBm + 10 dB ant + 30 dB preamp = -18.5 dBm; tuner OK

If the 7777 didn't work, it means
1. There is an unknown source of overload
2. The preamp was defective
3. It wasn't getting voltage because of a bad connection
4. There was a splitter between the preamp and the power inserter that was not power passing
5. You were using two amps in series that would overload the tuner

I also still get 2-1,2-2,2-3, and 2-4 out of utica NY.What direction was used for the antenna aim for these tests? WKTV 2.1 is in a different direction.
But, I do not get 17-1, 17-2, and 17-3 out of Schenectady which is between my home and Albany, these are the PBS stations WMHT PBS is on real channel 34 and has co-channel interference from WIVT on the same channel. Co-channel interference is indicated by the red highlighted "a" by a callsign in your report.
Also, 23-1, 23-2, 23-3 which is FOX, Horse Racing and Laff. I do not really care about horse racing or laff but I would like to get FOX.WXXA Fox on real channel 7 has co-channel interference from WBNG CBS on the same channel.

If you could figure out the preamp problem, I think you would do a little better, but your location isn't a good one for OTA reception.

Is the coax grounded with a grounding block?